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Christine: Hello and welcome to this episode of the 360 HealthBiz Podcast here with the beautiful Kendra Perry,
Christine: Who is going to blow your minds today, and myself, Christine Hansen. So we're super excited to be here with you today for this episode. But before we dive in, we have a little request that would make us so happy and that would feature you on our show. And that is if you hope over to iTunes right now and you leave us a five star review, we would be super, super, super grateful, and we would actually also read it on the podcast with your names. So have your little claim to fame, your couple of seconds of fame on our show, and that would be absolutely amazing, and we would know on the right track.
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Christine: Perfect. Alright, so we're going to dive straight into our content today. So we don't have a guest, but it's our, both of us today. And we're going to do continuous education episode, and we're going to talk about detox today. And personally it's been something that I had on the radar for a long time, but I never really saw the issue with, issues with it until I dove deeper and actually realized how inconsiderate a lot of programs and unfortunately even schools are with detoxing, right? So we consider it something super easy, something that you can do whenever, but actually it's something pretty serious that you're doing to your body. So Kendra is an absolute wizard with these topics. I'm going to let her take the lead, take notes people, because this is going to make your practice so much more efficient. You will be ahead of the curve because you will know things that your clients never heard before and nobody else has told them that it's going to make you a much better practitioner. So Kendra, take it away.
Kendra: Awesome. And I love talking about this topic because I think it's a really misused word. I think detoxification is a very important process that we should always be thinking about all of us, whether you're a practitioner, client, everyone needs to be thinking about it, but it's a really overused, like kind of butchered word and it almost kinda has lost, it's like street cred to some degree because everyone out there is telling you that this will make you detox, that will make you detox, but when you actually kind of break down the building blocks of what that program or product actually is, like a lot of these things, they actually don't improve detox and a lot of them actually prevent detox altogether. So it's kind of one of my missions to try to make people better understand this because in my personal opinion, if you're not detoxing on the regular, you're going to be sick,
Kendra: and not gonna have energy and you're going to have a hard time losing weight and you're gonna have brain fog and you're going to end up with chronic illness.
Christine: Exactly. I think that is like the number one thing that my clients are very surprised about when they tell that they want to go to someone who wants to do a detox with them and I always ask them, 'are you sure is your body actually ready for this? And detoxing can be very dangerous. If you're already sick. It might not be the best idea to do full on detox.' And they look at me like super surprised. I find that is already showing that you have more knowledge than you know, a general, just like the average practitioner may be or someone who's just, you know, just dip, dabbling with supplements for funds.
Christine: Right. Well let's go into detox and maybe, you know, when I play the devil's advocate, when I think about detox, what I used to think was that you take a product, you eat certain foods and then your body just eliminates all the crap that it has inside and once it's done, you clean and shiny and sparkly, and everything is just working like a new brand new Ferrari engine. Right. So correct me if I'm wrong. Which I'm sure I am.
Kendra: Yeah. And there's a few, there's some truth to what you said, but then there's some caveats as well. And yeah, we're going to go through what detoxification actually is today, why it's important, but I'm also going to tell you how you can design an effective safe detox for your clients, where it actually gives the client what you're telling them, it's that you're giving them. Because a lot of people are like, 'oh, sign up for my detox program,' but the program actually doesn't help you detox. And so it is true. Like our body's always detoxing, right? Like we have detoxification pathways and methods and organs and cells in the body. And if that process were to ever stop, you'd probably be dead within a couple days, right? Like you wouldn't live very long because, you know, we're always, you know, bringing this crap into her body. So like detox, it's not just like, 'oh, like I do this detox once a year and I'm good.' Like, it's like, 'no,'like your body actually is always detoxing. Your body is very good at it. But the sort of caveat is the fact that we live in a very different than we did 100 years ago, right. In the industrialized world, puts a lot of chemicals into the environment and right now there's upwards of 84,000 chemicals in the environment in North America. I don't know what it is for Europe, but it's probably similar because we share the same planet, right? There's winds and currents and that stuff gets kind of spread around the globe. So you know, there's all these chemicals now being added into our environment. Only a fraction of them are actually being tested for human safety. Very few of them are actually being tested for long-term. The approval process of getting a new chemical in the US is ridiculous. Like they just like push it through. It's a little different in Europe. You guys are a little bit more advanced North American.
Christine: Yeah, it's like a proven until the innocent or proven until guilty kind of [inaudible]. In the US it's like anything is fair game until you prove that it's absolutely horrible. In Europe it's, you know, we're not letting it on the market until you prove that it's safe, right. So.
Kendra: Yeah. And I mean that's a much better perspective and I know like when it comes to ingredients in our personal care products, like Europe's were called thousands, whereas I think the US is, we're called maybe five or six or something.
Christine: I know.
Kendra: So it's like, okay, that's a pretty big difference. But you know, a lot of the chemicals that, you know, we exist with that we live in, we live in a very chemical world and they've been connected to allergies, cancer, birth defects, you know, mental health issues, psychological disorders, like they're all around us and like we are getting exposed like, I don't care if you are living in Nepal, at the top of the Himalayas, like in a mud hut. Like, you still have some of these things in your body. And the research is pretty clear on that, Christine. Like there's studies of a human breast milk, and in human breast milk, I mean they find persistent organic pollutants, they find heavy metals, they find pesticides, all kinds of contaminants, in human breast milk, right? Like, how's it getting in there? Well, it's getting absorbed into the body through food, water, skin, air, that sort of thing. And then that is making people very sick and this is, like, a topic that I think we all need to pay really big attention to. Like I know in the functional medicine world, everyone is talking about the gut and that's great. Yes, digestive health is important. We had an episode about poop. We love poop, we love the gut, but it doesn't go deep enough for me. And I think, you know, everyone saying, well the gut is the root of all illness. I think that's really misled, because I honestly believe it's chemicals, metals, toxins. It's our toxic environment because, you know, we see in our practices. Like me and Christine do a lot of gut testing and what we see is chronic infections that we have a really hard time clearing, even though they eat really well and they live a healthy lifestyle. They get all these infections. So the big question is like, well why is the gut so unhealthy? Especially when people are actually leading a pretty healthy lifestyle. Right? And I think that's where we start to dig into all these underlying toxins and chemicals that are making their way into our bodies.
Christine: Yeah. And I think the main organ or one of the biggest organs that we have, that we tend to neglect as our skin. Right?
Christine: So I tell people if you're chronically ill, if there's lots of things going wrong, just thinking about what you put on your skin. If you wouldn't put it into your mouth then don't put it on your skin because it's getting absorbed just as much, right.
Christine: And that is something that make a big shift in a lot of people, who in the beginning of hesitant, you know, who are like, 'oh yeah, well there's no parabens in there anymore, or maybe no sulphates and no soda cans,' but, you know, that's not it, that's not enough.
Kendra: Yeah. And there's other things in there too. A lot of products that tout themselves as natural health products, like when you actually look at the ingredients, you can find all kinds of stuff. And a really great resource is actually the environmental working group, ewg.org/skindeep. I think. You can actually input your personal care product into their database and it'll come up with all the ingredients and like what studies have linked them to. So you can actually get a safety rating for everything you're using or if you don't have time for that, you're like, I'm too fucking busy. I don't have time for that. Just look at their top rated lists. They have like a top 10 list for a lot of different products.
Kendra: And so that's a really good place to start. And I mean I think obviously with detox, like people will, you know, spend 10 days a year during their little cleanse or their little detox, and think that they're good, but you know, if you're not doing anything to address the incoming source then detoxification doesn't work. Right? It's like you've got this, like, sink with a tap that won't stop running and you clear the drain temporarily, but if you don't actually address the leak, I mean that sinks just going to keep overflowing and filling up. So I think detox always needs to start with looking at our environment and really kind of, I guess looking at our relationship with chemicals, right? Like what, how are we letting chemicals into our lives? You know, are we drinking tap water? Tap water's a really huge source of toxicity. Christine's like, 'Oh my God, it's so toxic.' Yeah. Tap Water, even [inaudible] water.
Christine: You really notice the difference. I never thought, you know, everyone is always in Luxembourg your tap water is fine, and I'm like, you know, it's maybe not even the water, but it's like just the pipes.
Kendra: Oh yeah.
Christine: You live in Europe, it's super old. The pipes in the village I used to live, were was super, super old and I realized that after I switched to tap, to mineral water, from Luxembourg though, because I don't [inaudible] like have reactions, right.
Christine: It was so heavy it, so it really showed me that it's not [inaudible]. So I'm just a huge snob when it comes to water.
Kendra: Yeah. You should be a snob when it comes to water honestly, because it's the main way that people make themselves toxic and a lot of places will tell you like, 'oh, we have really, we have the cleanest drinking water.' But like, yeah, it's because it doesn't have like faecal contamination in it. It doesn't have maybe parasites or bacteria. But, they're not filtering for metals, pesticides, you know, they're not filtering. It's going to have chlorine in it. It's probably gonna have fluoride. And the biggest thing with municipal water is actually a drug residues, right? Everyone's taking drugs, people taking birth control or hormone replacement, diabetes medication, whatever. They pee it back out into the water and that goes back into your drinking system. So that's a really big one that people need to be considering as well. Yeah. So let's talk. I want to talk a little bit about like what actually is detoxification, and like what parts of the body...
Christine: Yeah [inaudible]
Kendra: Totally. I think we have a bit of a delay, Christine, you're kind of cutting in and out for me.
Christine: Yeah. But it's fine. I'm just [inaudible]. It's okay, I'm listening.
Kendra: Okay, cool. Yeah. So what is, you know, detoxification. It's kind of a sexy word, but what it actually is, what it actually should be called is conjugation, which isn't very sexy, but it's just basically the process of transforming one thing into another. Goes through several phases of detoxification and it comes out as something that our body can actually process and run through the colon, the sweat, the kidneys. Something that's safe, because you can't actually put a toxin into the body and just move it out as is, the body can't do that. It has to be transformed. And so there's actually four phases of detoxification. And I know Christine, that the liver gets all of the kind of fame for detoxification, but the liver actually detoxifies a lot less than the skin, and then the cells in the stomach. So the enterocytes in the stomach actually detoxify way more than the liver. So does the kidneys, so does all kinds of cells all over the body. So it's not just the liver. We shouldn't just be thinking about our liver. We actually need to be thinking about cellular detox. And basically the easiest way to break it down, and I should have a whiteboard behind me because it'd be really easy to describe, but basically there is phase zero and that's when the toxin goes into the cell. Once the toxin is in the cell there is phase one and phase two. And that's what most people are familiar with,
Kendra: there familiar with the phase one and the phase two. Phase one takes a fat soluble toxin, changes it into a peroxide, and then phase two takes that peroxide and turns it into a water soluble compound. And then phase three is when that, that talks and leaves that cell and then gets excreted. So there's actually four phases. Phase one and phase two or phase three, were all, were recently discovered, but there are those four phases. And we actually need to be supporting all of those phases when you do a detox. And what's really interesting is there are very famous, I'll call them famous, like detox ingredients that people will pump you full of during a detox. And they're virtually in every single detox product. I do my air quotes, but they actually, they actually blocked detoxification and...
Christine: What the fuck, right?
Kendra: Yeah. And to have these are milk thistle and curcumin.
Christine: Oh! [inaudible]
Kendra: I thought you'd have that reaction.
Christine: I'm like, hang on, in every program I've ever read it's like Qq is like, yeah, that's the thing you need to everyday put it into smoothies, put it everywhere, brush your teeth with it.
Kendra: Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not saying those are bad ingredients, but for the purposes of a detox, like if you actually want to help someone detoxify, milk thistle actually blocks the, the third phase of, of detoxification, so does curcumin. So those actually prevents those toxins from leaving the cell. Okay. Milk thistle is very helpful for the liver. Yes. It helps rebuild the liver. It's very good for that. But for the purposes of detox, like it's not something you should be taking long term. It's not something you should put into a detox product. So you're probably going to go into your shelf and look at all your detox supplements and you're gonna to have to throw them all out.
Christine: Throw them all out.
Kendra: Yeah. Because they're going to have that. And so I, you know, I think that's a really important thing to consider because there's lots of products on the market that tell you they are detox products and they're not, and this comes down to the fact that like when you're detoxifying, you actually need to have three things present. You need to have something that's going to immobilize, something that's going to like stir up the toxins because the toxins are getting stored pretty deeply in our body, right? They're getting stored in fat cells, brain cells, organs, tissues, like they get, they get put in there, and especially fat cells, Christine. Like fat cells are kind of like this nice little like membrane thing and
Kendra: the body can push a toxin into there and it'll protect it from the rest of the body, right? It'll protect that toxin from the rest of the body. So the body doesn't really want to immobilize that toxin. So it's, you have to do something that's going to immobilize.
Christine: That's also, I think why, you know, when women want to get pregnant, I always tell them that now is not a good time because, you know, if you get rid of of that basic unleashes that toxic [inaudible], that's the first step, right. It's not, you have a regular load, plus your actually going to unleash and what’s been stored up. And especially also I know that women with endometriosis, that tissue's very absorbent as well, so not just for hormones but also for toxins, so, which is why there are so many inflammation issues, you know,
Christine: So, it's, I'm just saying if you're a women or you're dealing with people who have fertility issues, be very mindful of that, right. And for anyone how has a health condition or who you know is going to go through a hard time or anything like that. Just as a word of warning. Do not start a detox. When you know that there's something happening very soon like that. So it's a big process. It's a big deal, right.
Christine: You don't know how much is in there, how much is stored in there, you don't know what it is. You don't know how the body's going to react to it. And so just a little disclaimer, free warning.
Kendra: No, I think that's a really good point. Pregnancy, nursing, these aren't times where you detox and yeah, when I work with clients it's like if we're on, if we have them on like a gut protocol, where they're getting rid of infections and maybe we're doing some detox that we have to kind of give that all a stop. We have to hold that until after they're done breastfeeding, because you're right, it's not a time to be detoxing. You don't want toxins to go into the placenta and into your baby. Right? So, yeah, that's a really good point. But I love how, what you said about endometriosis. Because that's a big one for toxins. Especially because a lot of the plastics in our environment, they mimic human estrogen and that's a really big issue with a lot of these toxins or xenobiotics is that they look very similar and they act very similar to human estrogen and hormonal issues I think are very much driven by this chemical toxicity. And you know, I think males are having the same issues. Like you know, too much estrogen in a male is going to lead to like man boobs and weight issues, right?
Christine: And sleep issues.
Kendra: Yes, and sleep issues. Sleep like a boss.
Christine: Yeah. And I can see that at a lot when I run into something like the Dutch test and I can see everything pointing towards something and then I have a woman with endometriosis, you know that the results might be skewed because those little fuckers are just holding on to their dear life in [inaudible]. So it's just good to know that.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah. And definitely like, like you mentioned with endometriosis, like those tissues are very absorbent and they're absorbing a lot of chemicals and toxins. And then when that gets shed every month, I think that really pays into that inflammation and that extreme pain that women feel has endometriosis. A lot of detox needs to happen with endometriosis for sure.
Kendra: Yeah. And so we've talked about, so the three things that you need, we've talked about immobilization you need to, and I'm going to give you guys some examples of these. So this will help you design your own detox program. There's, you want to immobilize, you want to kind of move those toxins out of the cells, out of the tissues. Number two is the actual like detoxification or transformation, conjugation, conjugation part, so that's something that you're gonna give them to help them move toxins into the body, to boost those different phases of detoxification. It's not going to be curcumin, it's not going to be milk thistle, it's not going to be black pepper, because all those things will block your phases of detoxification, but actually what I'm going to tell you in a second, is going to surprise you because these ingredients are these supplements that I'm going to tell you about, you've actually probably never even seen in a detox product, which is kind of funny to me, because they were actually the best way to enhance detoxification. So that's number two. And then number three is excretion, right? So we need to immobilize, we need to move things through the phases of detoxification, but then we have to help with the excretion and actually getting that out. And this is what most detox programs are missing. They don't do anything to help with excretion. They might stir it up, they might try to open the phases of detox, but they don't actually help you move it out of the body, which means that those toxins are probably going to get redeposited.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. So that sucks. We don't want that, and that's how detox can make people sick, right. Can make people feel like crap because they're just stirring up toxins and not really moving them out. So let's talk about some of the things that actually help them immobilize toxins. So this will probably surprise you, but one of the best ways to do it is actually fasting and calorie restriction, because that causes the fat cells to burst, right? We want the fat cells to burst and dumped their toxins. So intermittent fasting or extended fasting or calorie restriction are actually really great ways to do this. And this is why I think detox needs to be part of weight loss programs because with calorie restriction, ultimately you are immobilizing toxins. And I actually think maybe the reason why people gain back their weight is because they dump a lot of toxins, but then they don't get moved out. So the body needs to store them again,
Kendra: body makes more fat cells or bigger fat cells.
Christine: Makes sense.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah. So that's a good way to do it. I mean, that can be obviously a bit intense for people, but it's the best way to do it. Something else that will mimic the same effects of fasting calorie restriction is actually vitamin B3 or Niacin in higher doses. I don't know if you've ever used that, Christine, but you have to be careful with it because it'll make you flush. Like if you take it...
Kendra: in high doses, like it makes you go super red, like a tomato, you get super. [inaudible]
Christine: [inaudible] I had it yesterday, yesterday.
Kendra: Oh really?
Christine: No kinding. I went to see a friend of mine is doing Chinese medicine and she wanted to show you a new thing and she gave me this multivitamin and she was like, 'I put a little bit of B3 in there,' [inaudible] tomato, I hope it wasn't too much, but I didn't. So it was good. But it made me pee like [inaudible]
Kendra: Oh yeah, totally. Yeah. It has a really interesting effect on the body. And so you want to take it, like if you're going to take it, you want to start with a really low dose,
Kendra: like possibly like 50 milligrams or less, because if you go buy like a 500 milligram capsule like you're gonna you might, well you might puke because it's acid, so it will burn your stomach and it'll make you feel very nauseous and then you'll be super red. You'll be read like a beat, you'll be itchy. I mean, you're just going to be like, 'Oh my God, what is happening?'
Kendra: But what it does and there's actually a whole Niacin detox program that's very interesting. But you want to start with a small dose and kind of work your way up. So you could do like a two week or three week detox with Niacin where you start at 50 milligrams and you the way up as high as a thousand or even two. But there's actually this, and I want to mention this because I, this is just so so cool to me. So after 9/11, Christine, a lot of those firefighters were very sick because they got exposed to all those toxic building materials when they were going through the rubble of those buildings and a lot of them were demonstrating Parkinson like symptoms, neurological symptoms, like they were very sick and they actually were put through this Niacin detox which was developed actually by L. Ron Hubbard, the creator of scientology, which is random.
Christine: Your kidding.
Kendra: But, yeah, totally. He developed this way before he developed scientology, but actually is a way to detox people getting off of drugs. And so they went through this program, these firefighters, and basically it involves taking this high dose Niacin, some exercise, and then getting in a sauna and sweating it out. And they were sweating out purple. There's, you can go on Google and look up like 9/11 firefighter Niacin detox, and you'll see pictures of guys holding up towels that are drenched in purple from all the toxins.
Christine: Oh my God.
Kendra: The crazy things that they were bringing through their skin.
Christine: Mind blown people. I'm telling you, this is good stuff
Kendra: Yeah. I know it's, it's totally mind blowing. And it's really crazy. So I think it's a very effective, it's been around for a long time, but you know, obviously if you are doing the Niacin detox like it is best that you, you know, speak with a professional who knows what they're doing first, you should always consult Dr, Professional, that sort of thing. And, you need to be implementing the other phases as well.
Christine: Exactly [inaudible]
Kendra: The other thing I wanted to mention, that'll do it, that'll help them better for. Sorry, go ahead Christine.
Christine: Yeah, I was just going to say that be cautious about these things, don't forget when we told you, right.
Christine: Run phase one and phase two and phase three. This is just like the facilitator. You need, it's like having a plane landing, right? And then having the passengers are all the different toxins coming out and then you need a bus to shuttle them out, right. So right now where just helping passengers to get out of that plane, which is just like your fat cells and everything, and now you need to shuttle them off. Right? So...
Kendra: I love that analogy. I think that's great, like people will be like, 'Yeah, that totally makes sense.' And there is one other thing, and this won't do all toxins, but this is one I use, it's called BioSil. I'll just put that up to the camera for those of you who are watching us on video, but basically it's marketed for skin, hail, hair and nails, but it's just silicone, and silicone actually helped stirrup metal. So this might not get your, your chemicals, your xenobiotics, I'm not super familiar with it, does that, but it does stir up certain metals. So this is actually a really great part of a metals detox program is a little bit of silicon. And a lot of people are already taking it for skin, hair, teeth. But you can take up to 10 drops a day. It can cause a lot of fatigue if you have a lot of metals, you want to start with one drop, but again, if you're going to take it, you, you need to be doing the other things as well. So that's, that's what you need to do with immobilizing toxins. So if you design a detox program, it should either contain some sort of intermittent fasting, some sort of calorie restriction, or Niacin and be careful with the Niacin, because if you give someone a Niacin flush, like we mentioned, it's pretty unpleasant and it might make someone never want to work with you again. So, yeah.
Christine: Yes. They might think they have an allergic reaction and might die. So it's, yeah, no, no. Every time I, I've been weary of it, you know, when they told me, it's been the third time was something that I have it, I have never had anything happen, but I was like, 'I don't want to flush.'
Christine: [inaudible] just want to know about it but you know, I mean stuff with a super low dose and just do plan, stick to it and hydrate.
Kendra: Yep, hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.
Christine: [inaudible] if you have a reaction [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah, yep, yeah, exactly. And it's temporary, like if you do have a reaction. I've had it. I've, I've overdone Niacin multiple times because I'm, I'm just like don't follow my own follow my...
Christine: Come on!
Kendra: I'm like terrible at following my own advice. But it is temporary and it will, it will pass. It may make you feel very sleepy. Like when I've overdone it, I've literally had people pass out because it makes me very tired. It also sometimes will make you like really goosebumpy, like it makes me really cold and sleepy and I feel like getting the covers and pass out. But yeah, just, actually take my advice, don't be like me, I, I'm horrible for following my own advice sometimes I'm just like, 'oh, I'll just, I'll just see what happens. I'll just, oh whatever. I'll just, I'll just try it.'
Christine: Maybe that was why I was so tired yesterday morning.
Kendra: Yeah, it can make you sleepy, for sure. So take it before bed.
Kendra: Okay. So that's the immobilization. And then we have to talk about the actual detoxification part. So that's where we're taking things to actually help boost detoxification. So milk thistle, curcumin, black pepper. Those things inhibit certain phases of detoxification. You don't want to take those. But things that have actually been proven scientifically, to help with detoxification is coQ10, St John's Wort, and then two strains of lactobacillus, the probiotic, the rhamnosus, and the plantarum. So that's funny, hey Christine, like, have you ever heard those into detox product before?
Christine: No. Like I, I'm the biggest lactobacillus rhamnosus, [inaudible] anyway. Gg strain is the one that I love, like, you need to know probiotics have different strains. The Gg is one that I love because it's like this old style kind of thing, I haven't, but it makes total sense. It makes complete sense to me. The plantarum I haven't seen before, no. Do you know, by any chance, if there are any strains that are better than others?
Kendra: Yeah. I just know the rhamnosus and the plantarum, so I know those strains. I know there's like different strains of each, but as far as I know, it's just those...
Christine: The main.
Kendra: Those main ones that will help. And yeah, the coQ10 and say, like coQ10 is typically something used with people with like, like MS and Parkinson's and St John's Wort is typically used for depression, anxiety, like mental health issues. But they actually are really great detoxifier. So it's just funny because, you know, I look at, and someone's gonna hate me for this, but like those, those shakology things, right.
Kendra: It's like, 'Oh, this helps you detox.' And I look at the ingredients and it's got a ton of things in there that actually block detoxification. And then it's just full of shitty low quality vitamins and minerals that aren't even very well absorbed and some like fillers, and I'm just like, this is a really expensive product, it doesn't help you detox. It's like, I'm sorry, but it's shit.
Christine: It's shit. Yeah. It's not doing anything. It's just random product in there that used to be, I think a lot of these products where developed in the 90's, early 2000's, and nobody's really revised them since then, right?
Christine: And then you have some products, you know, who have everything.
Christine: There you have milk thistle and Q10 and it's like, well that's not going to help either. Right? It's really tricky. So the best is to take things in there, you know, proper form not, I think it's super hard to find a really good all in one product.
Christine: I prefer taking things separately, tying them in properly, and having each individual product do their stuff. It's just more bespoke. It's more tailored, it's more efficient.
Christine: I just prefer that.
Kendra: Yeah, I agree. Like the thing about like minerals for example, is there a very heavy. Right? Very like physically heavy. Like they have all those electrons, like if you get nerdy and look at the periodic table, they just get heavier as you go down. Let's get nerdy and, the thing is if you're taking a multivitamin, like, like if it has everything in it, like you're taking it at such a low dose, that, that's why a lot of multivitamins or synthetic, because they're so weak when they're natural that they have to be synthetic. And I mean I don't think synthetic vitamins and minerals are helpful. And then if you're going to take a national multivitamin, like you would have to take like 10 to 20 times the normal dose to be able to for it to have any effect. Like when people ask me about multivitamins again, they're wondering about an all in one product that can be helpful. My favorite thing is actually marine phytoplankton. There's a company that gets an activation products but it's called Oceans Alive, Marine Phytoplankton. And it actually contains every single mineral and vitamin that the human body needs. Tastes like swampy seawater. But it's really good stuff. And it's in like a very safe, natural plant based form and the really cool thing about the marine phytoplankton is it's alive and if it had too many toxins in it, like if it was contaminated it would die.
Kendra: So that's how they can tell that it's good quality and it's not contaminated. So that's. And that will actually help you detox as well. That's a good like kind of base detox product because it has all the vitamins you need.
Christine: There you go.
Kendra: Yeah. So that can be helpful. But the other things that work really well, and Dandelion is actually a little bit more well known. I think Dandelion is well known.
Kendra: For its detoxification benefits and it does. So dandelion, Chicory root tea is really helpful. And then anything that boosts bile. So bile is something that your liver makes but it stored in the gallbladder and your body will secrete it every time you consume fat. Right? It's kind of like the dish detergent, like if you have an oily pan and you're trying to wash it with water, like you don't get anywhere, you need that soap to kind of emulsify it and break it down, that's what bile is. And bile is actually one of the most detoxifying things that your body has. So bitters are really great.
Kendra: All your bitter foods, greens, that sort of thing. That can be really helpful as well. So you want to be.
Kendra: What were you going to say Christina?
Christine: [inaudible] Is that some of my clients have gallbladder [inaudible] and as a result they were [inaudible], and to me, that's just so irresponsible. Like there's reason for all of this happening. You cannot just cut out an organ, right. So if you do not have a gallbladder, obviously you have to eat differently. You cannot eat as much in one go, just simply because, you know, the gallbladder is that to help the body out once its natural flow has, you know, emptied.
Christine: But what I do find is that you can help it with, I even had really great success with essential oils, actually. Essential oils that were great with plants, that help digestions and things like that. That could definitely help even topically. But that's just a little side note for those of you maybe don't have a gallbladder anymore or just like don't let it [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah. And so if you don't have a gallbladder, like if you do have a gallbladder, I mean you could be doing things all day long to help stimulate bile and that's really helpful, but you don't want to be doing that when you don't have a gallbladder because then you're just dumping bile into the intestine because you have no storage place for it and then it can be a bit aggravating. So you just want to, you know, only take your bile stimulants when you are eating. Bitters are helpful. Actually, there's a product from UNIKEY called Bile Builder, that I really like. It's got everything that helps build bile and then you might add in some bile salts as well. Just to help because yeah, like gallbladders are really important. Obviously there are medical emergencies where it needs to happen. But typically if I'm working with someone and they're like, 'oh, like my doctor wants to take out my gallbladder.' I'm like, 'give me six months.'
Kendra: Like just, you know, give me six months. Like, I think we can. And typically they won't need to get it removed. It's just because their bile has become thick, luggy and toxic, and we need to kind of thin it out and move it through the gallbladder and make it like viscous again, like that word, viscous.
Kendra: Okay. So the last thing that we have to consider when we're making or building a detoxification program is that excretion part. And so we always want to be taking a binder, something that will help bind to toxins and move it out so that they're not getting recirculated. Typically fiber will do that. The most commonly known binders are things like charcoal, bentonite clay, psyllium husk or, chitosan, which is a shellfish fiber. So if you're allergic to fish, that's not an option. But the thing about those binders that is unfortunate is they, they do bind to all the crap, but they also bind to minerals and pulled them out of the body. So they're not a great long term strategy. So what I use instead, my favorite binder of all time is modified citrus pectin. It's basically just the rind of citrus fruits, and it's great because if you, if it's modified properly, if the people who make it modify it properly, it will get all the crap, all the toxins, all the metals, all the chemicals, even glyphosate, but it does not fuck with the minerals. It doesn't pull them out at all. So the company that has proven that they do this properly is Econugenics. So that's the only company I recommend for modified citrus pectin, because they backed up their shit with a lot of research. A lot of companies will say they make modified citrus pectin but they actually don't modify it properly. And then you're pulling out minerals with toxins which you don't want to do.
Christine: Amazing. So I had no idea. So I'm super like, 'WHHAAAT?'
Kendra: WHAAAT? So I've got some in my tea right now, I take it in my tea every single morning. It's a supplement. When people ask me, 'Hey, I'm on a budget, what's the one supplement I should take?' I always say the citrus pectin because it pulls out all that crap out of your body that we are getting exposed to. It's very safe. It helps boost glutathione. It helps stimulate the immune system. And so everyone should drink it every morning and thier tea.
Christine: I'm going to get that straight away. Like, I'm going to order that today.
Kendra: Yeah. So it's Econugenics Pectasol-C. Get like the, the big thing will cost you like $100, which seems expensive, but at five grams a day it lasts you three months. So it's not too bad.
Christine: That's totally fine. I mean it's like, it as I always say, this is just our vessel, right? We're just here because of this vessel that is our body. If we can help it to be less toxic. It's easy, you know, like.
Kendra: Yeah, totally. I totally agree. It's so important. Like, I mean I have, I have like a health budget, like I have like set aside money every month for what I assigned on my health because it's very, very important to me. It's a priority. I can't do my job. I can't be happy if I don't have my health. Right? So I think investing in our health is something we all need to be doing.
Christine: Yes. Agreed. Much more so than software, you can live without one software.
Kendra: Arg, I love software though. Dammit.
Christine: Me too, but like seriously, some of them are so expensive, their like $50 a month, were I'm like, 'Oh God.'
Kendra: Well everyone's on like a membership model now. Hey? It drives me crazy. I'm like, just give me a one-time fee.
Christine: Yes. But you know, instead you can just buy the supplements instead, you know, and it's going to make you produce a lot more too, which is good.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. It's really good stuff. A lot of people feel really good on it, so highly recommend it. And then the other thing you want to be thinking about is actually like, okay, so we're binding, but we want to be actually forcing that excretion. Sauna therapy is probably one of the best ways to do this. It's the most well researched. It's really easy to get swept things through the skin. Right. And a lot of us don't sweat that much, especially if you know, me and Christine live in like of the northern latitudes right now it's winter. We're not sweating that much. I just came from Costa Rica and literally all I did was sweat like a Mofo for three weeks [inaudible].
Christine: I am a sweater. Like when it's hot, I sweat like a really great sweater, but there's many funny this, my nose, is like my main sweating organ, I kid you not.
Kendra: Really? Oh my God, that's so funny.
Christine: Nothing in my face well start sweating but just my nose, and you can literary see the drops like forming. I don't know why.
Kendra: That's funny. I mean I'm definitely a face sweater. I'm like, it's funny because when we go ski touring or like hiking like, with like, you know, the girls, they have all their hair out, their hair is so nice and mine's just like shellacked to my head and I'm like, 'Oh God, why do you guy look so good. I'm just so disgusting right now.'
Christine: Yeah. But I'm taking hot baths regularly. You know like, really hot baths that make me sweat. Like completely, like you know, oohh.
Kendra: Yeah, those actually work really well.
Christine: Yeah, exactly. You have the steam, you have the heat, you sweat it in the water so you don't necessarily notice it. But it's like you notice it afterwards because your body is like parched.
Christine: And then obviously the mindful for what kind of body lotion, put on too, because it's going to absorb it.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, that's a good point because, you can, if you don't own a sauna or you don't have access to a sauna, you can do baths, you can do a really hot bath which will help you sweat. But, you know, any sauna we'll do like, it doesn't need to be infrared. I know infrared Saunas are big hype these days, but it can just be like the sauna that's at your local fitness center or gym or whatever. I actually own an infrared sauna, I have one sitting right over there. I love it. Best investment of my life. It's great because you can actually be in it. You probably need one in your office. [inaudible]
Christine: I need one. I am actually considering putting one into my office because I do have enough space. I just find it. It might look a little bit weird when clients come here and [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah, I don't see clients here, but, just you know...
Christine: [inaudible] but I do have this space. It's huge. It's like massive. My new office is massive.
Christine: I just saw a really good deal recently, on an Expo model infrared Saunas that I love. I was like, 'Ohhh.'
Kendra: It's definitely a game changer. I bought mine last year and things have really shifted for me since owning it, you know, like I use it on a regular basis, three to four times a week, you know, I get all the great benefits from the infrared, right. It's really good for skin. It has a lot of good anti-aging. It has weight loss benefits, but yeah, the sweating is what matters. And so, you know, obviously infrared, you can spend less, you don't have to stay in it as long or, and you can stay in it longer. Right? It heats you from the inside out, because I know when you go to like a wood fired sauna, like you breathe it into your lungs and it's hard to stay in. But The infrared, like it has that extra benefit of, of allowing you to stay in longer. But really in the end just get a sauna, like try to make that a regular part of your health regimen. You should be recommending it to your clients. The other thing you can do, that can be helpful. A lot of people are super freaked out by them, but are coffee enemas.
Christine: Yeah, I have. My client last weekend and she was talking about a hydro colon therapy, which is a little bit like a coffee enema on steroids,
Christine: Work with hot water, hot water and pressure and it's kind of painful really.
Christine: It is really painful. You have the impression that you get [inaudible]. But coffee enemas are super relaxed, like.
Kendra: Oh yeah.
Christine: Get out of your head that your butt is a horrible place, right. It's actually much less worse than hydro colon therapy or colon therapy,
Christine: and you can just relax with it if you just let yourself go a little.
Kendra: And it's so true. And you know, it's so funny because I always tell my clients and my group members, I'm like, you know, just be open minded give it a go because most people are freaked out and then they fall in love. Like literally they fall in love with putting coffee up their butt.
Christine: I know, it's like this warm and fuzzy feeling and then afterwards it feels like a new born, and it's easy and we'll get specific. Not specific, but there's a very good video of a lady doing it on YouTube. Like you don't see every detail, you do see her doing it basically.
Christine: And it just shows you how simply it is, right? And it's just like, it's just a hole people, you know, it's like.
Kendra: Yeah, I think people are weird about their butt.
Christine: I know.
Kendra: But I mean personally I love pooping. I love to poop. It's just my favorite thing in the entire world. That's definitely tmi. But I'm into it. But yeah,
Christine: You feel so much better afterwards.
Kendra: Oh yeah. And it's my time, you know, it's like I read a book, I do some meditation, like I make it sexy in there, like light some candles.
Christine: Exactly. And there's a lady called Marissa something. I don't remember her name. I met her in August and she is the poop lady something and she said like the perfect poo is the length of your elbow to your wrist? And I was like, I cannot imagine that thing, but do you know why I couldn't?
Christine: European toilets are different than US toilets. Like if you have good poop in a US toilet, you would see the whole length, in European toilets it always breaks.
Christine: You never see it in its full glory.
Kendra: Oh my God, that's so funny.
Christine: So there you go people.
Kendra: Oh Man. That's such a, that is a great piece of information. I'm going to remember that with my European clients if you like, don't worry. You don't see the whole coil in the toilet because your toilets weird.
Christine: There you go, Kendra is rocking your world with science and I know that toilets work differently when pooping.
Kendra: We each bring something very important to the table.
Kendra: Yep, totally.
Christine: Tip of a tube that is much smaller.
Kendra: Yeah. It's very small and you know, the, the, what actually is happening with them. If this is your first time hearing about them and you're like, well, why would you put coffee up here? But it's because of the caffeine in the coffee. Once it's in the colon, it actually goes directly into the hepatic portal system, which is like the little capillary system that connects the colon to the liver and the gallbladder. And when the caffeine gets to the liver, gallbladder actually causes them to contract and run bile through and dump the bile. So it's a great way to help yourself like detox that bile. So it's a very mechanical way to detox the liver. And, you know, I know for natural cancer therapies, I mean they all have people doing these like three to six times a day just because that's how toxic people with cancer are. And so they're, you know, they're very safe to do. They tap it, typically make you feel good. Most people don't react to the caffeine the way you would if you drank a cup of coffee. Some people find them stimulating. I mean if you're going to try it for the first time, you should probably do it earlier in the day just to make sure. But I mean, I love them. I do them regularly. My boyfriend thinks I'm crazy. We joke around about butt coffee all the time.
Christine: [inaudible] he's like, 'why don't you want to do anal if you do that?'
Kendra: Oh my God, I love that. [inaudible]
Christine: [inaudible] Well we have to edit this out.
Kendra: Nah, we'll just leave it in.
Christine: Like yeah, it's seriously. It's not, it's, put some music on. Like literally put some soft music on, get into the groove of just relaxing and just, it's literally something great for your body. Your body will love it.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah, totally. Most people really like them after they've done them. So. So yeah. So that's what you need. So you know, if you want to create like, you know, we're coming into this episode is probably going to be released at being in January. Obviously January is a big time for the health industry for launching things because that's, you know, people spend December ruining their health and then in January they were ready for a new start. So this is a good time to create a detox program for your clients, right? So just make sure you're doing something to, immobilize toxins. You're doing something to boost that detoxification and then you're doing something to stimulate excretion and that's actually gonna get your clients results. That's actually going to make them feel good. And then the other thing I just wanted to mention is really think about things you can be doing on a daily basis to help yourself detox, because detox does need to be a daily thing. And you can, it doesn't need to be this big thing, you know, like I, will have a small cup of organic coffee first thing in the world because that helps stimulate bile. I have salty water first thing in the morning because it has minerals and minerals help you detox. Like, you know, I eat my bitter foods, I drink my dandelion tea, I get in the sauna, I do a coffee enema. Like there's things that you can be doing on a regular basis that we should be doing because we really do need to think about it daily because on a given day, who the fuck knows how much shit is getting into your body.
Christine: Yeah, and you will feel so much better. You will be more alert, will have better energy, you will sleep better, your skin will look amazing. So it's the only benefits people. It's literally one benefits and you can do small things. You don't have to, you know, worrying about not having enough time to lay down on the floor and do a coffee enema. It's just an example that we gave you enough options that you can definitely do.
Kendra: Totally, yeah, just putting that modified citrus pectin into your tea every morning is a good detox strategy as well. And you know, with detox, I think the most important thing to keep in mind is the goal is not to do it quickly, fast detox is not safe. Because we accumulate so many toxins over our lifetime. Like we might be detoxing things that have been on our bodies since we were kids. Right? If you're a child of the 80's, like us, you ate a lot of butter or not butter, margarine and toxic like cheese and all kinds of weird shit, right. The 80's is like the worst time [inaudible] right?
Kendra: What was considered healthy in the 80's is like pretty disgusting. So there's a good chance me and Christine have margarine sitting in our tissues.
Christine: It's right here. I can tell you exactly where it is.
Kendra: Oh my God. Yeah. So, you know, slow, long term detox is key and wants to be gentle. I don't recommend quick detox and it's something that you should do more than once a year. I mean, you design a little, like 10 day detox, you know, do it several times a year. Launch it as a group program, right? Like, wouldn't that be a great group program to do a 30 day detox where you spend a couple of weeks like helping people like build up and kind of pre-prepare for it. Do 10 day detox that includes these three things we just talked about and then do some sort of final, you know, recovery, restoration thing, like that could be a really great 30 day group program that you could launch a couple of times a year. Right.
Christine: And your testimonials will go through the roof.
Kendra: Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think. I think we really need to educate people on what detox actually is and how to actually do it and why it's not just, you know, like I go crazy when people are like, 'Oh, I did the master cleanse.] I'm like, okay, you just starved yourself and eat sugar for three weeks. Great. You know, or those detoxes.
Christine: Yes. And we are supposed to be like, 'YAY.'Gosh.
Kendra: Yeah. There's a lot of weird things out there that they detox, like, yeah, those weird wraps. And I'm the wild rose cleanse. I'm not trying to bash these companies, but the wild rose cleanse that people do, it's just like, it's not really a detox. Sorry guys. These companies [inaudible].
Christine: No no.
Kendra: All right.
Christine: My end, I didn't know my Wifi is weird today, but. Okay. I think that's pretty much it. Don't forget, this is a lot to take in. We have it in the show notes on our website 360healthbizpodcast.com, where you'll find links for all the products that can Kendra mentioned today and you have a complete detox program right there. It's all there. You can literally just go and highlight it and print it out and then you have it ready for you to use, and it's going to be efficient, it's scientifically backed up. It's going to be amazing, so everything is right there, so don't forget to check that out and if you've learned, here's my challenge for you, if you have learned anything knew during this episode, in-concluding difference between US and European toilets, then please go to iTunes right now and leave us a five star review.
Kendra: Yeah, and it's so easy to do, like if you're on the app right now, you literally just go to the search bar search 360healthbizpodcast and then you can actually go in and do a little like five-star review. It literally takes two minutes and helps us get out there. If you want to support us, you think we're kind of cool even just a little bit. That would be the best way to tell us.
Christine: And we are, I mean, we totally are, but it's like, yeah, even if we teach you something, if there was anything you learned, that would be amazing.
Kendra: Yeah. We want to know. Awesome. Well, it was super fun hanging out with you Christine.
Christine: As always.
Kendra: As always and, we'll see you guys in the next episode.
Christine: And we're recording this in December 2018. So all of you guys have a happy holidays. Even if you're listening to this in 2025 and we've changed our opinion already, never mind. We're still wishing you a beautiful 2019.
Kendra: Awesome. Take care Christine.
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Hello. Hello. Hey everyone. Kendra here. Welcome to your live monthly q and a. I absolutely love doing these. I love answering your questions. I know that every week we go through so many different things. We discuss a lot of content, a lot of things that you probably haven't heard about before. So I really love doing these monthly Q&A's. Just so I make sure that, I'm getting your questions answered and I'm helping make things clear that maybe weren't so clear, when I discussed them in my videos, so super stoked to be here. And, I have about five questions that were submitted. So we're going to be going through those. And then if you're on with me live, you can of course ask me any questions in the comments box. Hopefully I can see the comments this time because I know the last couple times I've actually been having a little bit of trouble seeing your comments.
Hey Rebecca, I can see Rebecca's comments. So that is a good sign. Yeah, you guys, if you want to ask me questions in the comments box, definitely go for it. I am happy to answer them, and I'm happy to bring you the most cutting edge advice I can give you when it comes to functional testing, hormones, energy, and gut health, because those are my three jams. The three things I love the most.
So, let's jump into it. Let's jump into your questions. So first question is, 'Can you suggest, how to increase Secretory IgA?' Okay. So for those of you who have no idea what Secretary IgA is, I also want to refer to this as Sig-A, that's sort of the short form for this, but Sig-A is basically your body's primary immunoglobulin. So this is your big first line of defense in your immune system, in the gut. So Sig-A is what responds and built anybody's towards things that, you don't want in your gut. Okay. So a lot of people, through testing actually discover that they have low SIg-A or low Secretary IgA, very common. And how you raise it, you know, isn't just as simple as take this to raise it. You really have to ask the question, well, why is it low to begin with? Because that's not normal. If it's low, you have to ask the question, well, what's making it low? Typically what I see really depress the immune system and depress Secretary IgA, is gut infections. Okay, that's one of the pieces. So in order to raise it, what I've seen have the best effect on raising, say Sig-A is actually eliminating the infections that are present. And of course in order to address infections you have to run a really good test to determine which infections are actually there. And you've probably heard me talk about this before, but a lot of tests, a lot of stool tests on the marker, on the market, are not great for identifying GI infections or they're just really notorious for missing infections. So a traditional stool test, this is called a comprehensive stool analysis. A Microscopic test. Typically you'd go to your doctor and ask for gut test or a parasite test. Typically it's going to be this type of test that they give you, so microscopy, or a comprehensive stool analysis, basically refers to the type of technology that is used to identify various infections.
So what you're going to have is you have a lab techs do you have a human, they are looking at the stool in a petri dish and looking through a microscope and looking well what grows after 24 hours. So it's called a stool culture. So they're trying to culture it and try to make it grow and they're single. What actually grows after 24 hours? So if there is a positive, if they find something that grows, it is 100 percent positive. There is no false positive. If it grows and they see it, it's there. But there can be a lot of false negatives because this type of technology actually requires, organisms to be alive because they need to grow. So they need to be alive and they need to be present in large enough amounts that they're able to reproduce and grow. Okay? So this is problematic. If you have infections that are anaerobic, so they don't actually do well in oxygen, they like environments that are free of oxygen which exist in the large intestine, but once they leave the body and they get exposed to oxygen, a lot of times they actually break down to integrate and die, so those are not going to be found in a culture or a comprehensive stool analysis because they don't have the ability to grow because they're dead, or that thing is just, you know, it's there, but maybe it's an such tiny amounts that there's not enough of it to actually reproduce. So that's sort of the disadvantage of that type of test is yes. If it finds something, it's 100 percent there, but there's a good chance that it's actually going to miss things all together. Okay.
So you know, if you've done that type of testing and you're like, well, nothing came up. It's not really 100 percent that it's that your gut is completely clean. Okay. So the tests that I recommend, I love the GI-MAP from Diagnostic Solutions Lab. Basically, this is a PCR DNA test, so it takes out the human component. There's no Labtech, there's no one looking through a microscope. All there is, is a machine that is identifying the microspots, microscopic DNA of these various organisms. So that doesn't, that means that these things don't need to be alive. They can be dead and they could still be found, they can be present in a single DNA strand and they will be found. So it's a much more sensitive test. But of course that being said, there is no perfect test. We have to remember that the body's very complex and we're basically getting a snapshot of a moving target. So if you're looking at a stool sample, your body needs to be excluding it to find it. And there can be things that just don't get shed regularly in the stool. Maybe because they're there in smaller amounts, they're hiding or you know, they're just not getting shed on that particular day that you're taking the test. So, you know, there's downfalls, there's drawbacks to every test, but the first thing you're going to do to raise your immune system or your Secretary IgA, you're Sig-A is to address the infections and you do that with a good tests like the GI-MAP and trying to find the infections that actually might be present. Okay.
So that's really important. The other thing you need to do is you need to address toxicity. So heavy metals, chemical exposure, this, these things will depress the immune system. They will inhibit the immune system. In a lot of cases they can actually promote a friendly environment for, for organisms to grow. So sometimes why you have organisms is because you know, you have too much or too little of a mineral that makes more of a favorable, a favorable environment for these sorts of infections. And then the other thing is that sometimes your body actually allows infections to grow because you have metals because there's a protective mechanism. So there's been a lot of research on this in fish populations were fish have these parasites and these parasites actually concentrate metals and toxins into their cell walls so that their toxicity within that parasite cell is significantly higher than what's actually in the fish or the host.
So, there's a lot of people who believe there is a protective mechanism going on. I believe this to be true because I see so many chronic infections were like you just can't get rid of them until you get rid of the metals. And actually the last episode of High on Energy TV, I actually talked about this connection between metals and chronic infection. So you need to adjust the metals, you need to address the chemicals you need to identify the infections. Once you address these things, I do tend to see Sig-A go up. Some things that you can do to support your immune system. Maybe you can't afford testing or, you know, you can't find a practitioner to work with, although you could always work with me. You can take something like colostrum. I find colostrum has a really nice support, nourishing effect for the immune system. The other thing is Saccharomyces Boulardii, which is a beneficial strain of yeast, which actually has a great supportive effect for SIg-A and the immune system. So I would recommend those two supplements to start and then I would recommend doing some testing with me, look into gut testing, metal testing, hair mineral analysis to address those deeper root cause of the low Sig-A because if it's low, it either means you don't have the building blocks to support a healthy immune system because your mineral deficient, or you have metals that are interfering with a healthy immune system or you have bacteria, parasites, yeast, viruses, worms, things that are overwhelming, the immune system. Okay. So I hope that answers your question.
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So next question. So regarding the GI-MAP, 'Can I ask what prescription drugs were used for the nasty parasites? I've done Paromomycin, Doxycyclin. Another one I can't produce for Blasto, but I also have Crypto and some other bugs.' So. Okay. So I'm, first thing, this is my disclaimer. I'm not a medical professional. I'm unlicensed. I'm not a doctor, legally, I can't give you advice about prescription drugs or antibiotics. What I can tell you is with the exception of one parasite, I never use antibiotics or prescriptions. Okay? The reason for this, again, this is just my own experience. This is not me giving you advice or telling you what to do, but if you take antibiotics for an infection, you may get rid of the infection, but you fuck up the landscape, the landscape of the gut, okay? Because antibiotics are going to mess with that delicate balance. So getting rid of the infection may not have much benefit if the result or the consequence is that you decimate your bacteria, you totally mess with your immune system by killing off those beneficial flora that antibiotics will kill, because antibiotics are non discriminant, right? They're not just going for the parasite, they're going for everything. So they taking the antibiotics might help you get rid of the Blasto, but it actually makes you more likely to get Blasto back or a whole host of other infections in the feature.
Blasto It was a really hard infection to get rid of. It is the nastiest of the parasite. I call it the parasite lottery because it's a pain in the butt to get rid of, and it goes systemic. It doesn't say, 'Hey Michelle,' it doesn't hang out in the GI tract. So it has the potential to cause a whole host of issues. Cryptosporidium not a huge infection, not a hard infection to get rid of, typically will respond to one round of treatment, but I like herbals because they are much easier on the digestive system and they don't have the consequence of totally wrecking your healthy microflora. Okay. And I talked a lot about this in the previous High on Energy episode. So definitely if you're on Facebook you can go into my videos and see that episode or if you're listening on the podcast, it's just the previous episode. 'Hey, Karla.' Karla is my good friend and I'm glad she's here. And because you have to address the reason why you have the infection to begin with. And like a lot of things, I do believe that infections are just another symptom. I believe there is symptom of mineral imbalances and toxicity, especially metals. We're getting exposed to so much crap these days. So many toxins, metals, chemicals, glyphosate, and there's certain cases. And again, I talked about this in the last episode, where your body is actually has sort of a symbiotic relationship going on with the parasite because the parasite is protecting you from the metals because it has the ability to concentrate toxins and metals in the cell wall. So instead of you becoming totally auto toxic and getting really sick or even dying from all this metal exposure, your body actually is allowing that parasite or yeast to grow or bacteria because it has a protective mechanism going on.
So I don't think, again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you what to do. You should listen to your doctor. I don't like the antibiotic prescription approach for infections because you just create a whole host of new infections. Okay? So I never recommend those. There's only one infection on the entire GI-MAP that is the Entamoeba Histolytica doesn't tend to respond to herbals, is a very dangerous parasite. That is the only one where I would refer someone out to a doctor. It's a very rare infection. I've only seen it twice. One of those times was myself because I've had a lot of nasty parasites. Okay.
Okay. So second half of this question is, 'Do you use anything stronger than interface plus for Biofilm? Because it doesn't seem to work for me anymore. I'm retesting in January and tempted to book in with you next year. I'm still having issues but I don't do well on herbals. They tend to make the bugs grow. Haven't tried the Amazon herbs is yet though.' So it depends. There's a bunch of different things that you can do to address Biofilm. So for those of you who are wondering, well, what the fuck is Biofilm? Basically you can think of it like Saran wrap, like clear plastic wrap. It's like this polysaccharide which is carbohydrate. It's like this thin blue, like sticky film. All organisms create it. Plaque on your teeth is a biofilm a, but all organisms create it. There's good and bad biofilms, but you know, in terms of the pathogenic material, they actually use it as a physical barrier. So they hide behind it. And there is a stat that I read that, bacteria that are hiding under a biofilm can resist antibiotics after 2000 times versus bacteria that aren't hiding behind biofilm. So if that blows your mind, let me know in the comments, say, 'Whoa,' let me know. Because that's crazy. It's honestly crazy and I think this is a big reason why antibiotics don't work, or why people continue to have chronic infections because they have a lot of this biofilm. And if that's not creepy enough, biofilm can also act as a communication network among these pathogens. So they use it to communicate with each other, help them adapt. It's all very creepy, but when you disrupt the biofilms, so certain things will do this, but when you disrupt it, not only are you releasing these infections, these organisms, but you also releasing a lot of other crap that can be tied up in biofilm like metals, chemicals, glyphosate, toxins, all kinds of shit can be in there. So taking, a biofilm disruptor. Yeah, Karla says, 'Sneaky little bacteria.' They are sneaky. They're super creepy too. And so that's the, I think a lot of people have issues with the biofilm. So are the Biofilm disruptors, 'Klaire labs interfase phase plus' is typically what I use. I don't use it longterm, does have EDTA in it which can bind to some of your minerals. So that one I usually use more short term. Biocidin is a herbal concoction that will disrupt bios, biofilm. So will Acetylcysteine, or NAC. You can do that in 600 milligrams, three times a day on an empty stomach. That is a really great biofilm disruptor. I also use from integrative therapeutics, I use Biozyme, which are just proteolytic enzymes. So you, again, you want to take those on an empty stomach. So a lot of biofilm disruptors are just carbohydrates specific enzymes because of that biofilm is actually made up of carbohydrates.
So any pathogen protocol, if you're doing any parasite, yeast, bacteria protocol, you need to have a biofilm disruptor, because if you don't, it may not work. Okay. And this is also a big reason why we see a lot of new infections on retest is because it can take a shitload of time to actually break down the biofilm. That can be a really long process so it can take time to kind of, immobilize these infections, and have them start to come out in the stool on something like the GI-MAP. Okay. So I would try those, those recommendations, those products that I recommended. I do recommend that you book in with me. I don't take many one on one clients anymore, but I do have a membership program where you can join for a really low price point and you can actually purchase the protocol for you GI-MAP test and I'll actually go over it and design a customized protocol either be or one of my highly trained practitioners for you, because I just find that the GI-MAP, and perspectives on gut testing and pathogen removal, to be kind of messed up. I see a lot of practitioners doing it wrong. I see a lot of people suffering. And if you're not addressing the minerals and the metals, you're gonna end up with chronic infections because a lot of, like I mentioned, again, the previous episode has a lot more information on this. Sometimes your body is allowing these things to grow for a reason and so will, you trying to kill them and that's all you're doing. You might just be addressing a symptom and you actually might be making yourself sicker because you may be eliminating the very protective mechanism that your body has put in place to protect you from toxicity. Okay. So really good question. I kind of went off on a tangent as always, but I hope that helps.
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Okay. So next question, and I really liked this question. So, 'I've had previous symptoms that look like endometriosis and I've had quite severe irritable bowel syndrome earlier this year. I'm on Progestin only pills and I've been increasing my probiotic intake in natural foods, Kombucha, Kiefer, lots of fresh fruit and vegetables. My IBS symptoms are almost gone. That's awesome. And I'm pretty sure my pelvic pain symptoms are gone to. I'm just hoping they'll stay gone. If I come off my pills, I'm hoping to come off the pills eventually. Do you know of any tips for managing endometriosis and irritable bowel symptoms through diet and natural health? I, I'd prefer to try and manage naturally rather than be on the pills forever. Do you know someone who's done this and how they've managed so.' Okay. If you actually want to legitimately reverse and get rid of endometriosis and irritable bowel syndrome, you got to get off the pill. Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you to do this. I'm just saying what I've seen in my experience. This is what I would do. So this is the issue with the pill, even though it's Progestin only, it is going to cause mineral deficiency. It will make you vitamin C, magnesium, selenium, zinc deficient, it will mess with your gut flora. It will cause things like IBS symptoms, and it suppresses your natural hormone production. You're basically taking steroids, which is kinda crazy because if I said, 'Hey, do you want to take some fucking steroids and get jacked?' You'd think I was crazy. But that's basically what the pill is. You're taking steroids. Okay, so you can't balance your hormones or get rid of something like endometriosis or IBS while you're on the pill. It's a really, really nasty drug. So if you want to actually see success with that, I do. I'm not going to say I recommend getting off, but if it was me I would be getting off of that. Okay.
So in terms of, you know, you're doing a lot of the right things, you know, you're using diet, you're using fresh, whole foods to manage this and it sounds like it's improved a lot. So, you know, I want to congratulate you. This is a huge win. That's awesome. Not a lot of people are willing to do that. I think diet wise, I mean, I always recommend a Paleo template, Paleo, removes grains. It removes dairy, it removes sugars, it removes beans and legumes. A lot of things that can be irritating to the gut. I don't think you necessarily need to be on this diet longterm, but it's great to use as a template, at least as elimination diet. Maybe you can use it for three to six months and then start to reintroduce some of these foods. In terms of endometriosis. What this means is that your body doesn't metabolize your estrogen very well, or you have synthetic synthetic estrogens coming into the body which are raising your estrogen. So plastics, plastics are huge sources of synthetic estrogens, cookware, teflon, like, look at your cookware. You should only be using high quality stainless steel or titanium, clay, glass, really high quality ceramic. I'm really look at what you're cooking with. Ditch your slow cooker because there can be a lot of synthetic estrogens in the ceiling, ceiling, the varnish, I don't know that like plastic material that's over your ceramic pot. I actually have a clay. I have a clay, a slow cooker, or you can do something like an instant pot, which is, is stainless steel. Okay. Look at personal care products. There's synthetic estrogens in a lot of, chemical, personal care, beauty care products, cleaning products, checkout the EWG.org. This is the environmental working group. They have a top 10 list for all of these products. Use something safe and nontoxic. This is a really good place to start. The other connection is the gut. So there is a connection between your IBS and endometriosis. Typically, endometriosis means you have bad gut bacteria, so you need to address the gut. But what I found to be the biggest thing that relates to endometriosis is iodine. So there's probably an iodine deficiency. Iodine actually makes it impossible for you to metabolize your estrogen properly. So if you have endometriosis or on a Dutch test, you have high 16 OH metabolites. I know you need iodine. So I would recommend an iodine protocol, but you want to be doing this with an iodine literate practitioner. I can help you with this if you joined my High on Energy membership where I help support you and bring you the most cutting edge functional medicine recommendations that I can give you, that will be in the show notes, but you need to get on iodine. So, in the meantime, while you're, you know, if you're not working with me, you can do something like Kelp capsules. I like Nature's Way. Those are the only ones I personally tested and I know to be free from chemicals and toxins. You can do Kelp really great way to address iodine, seaweed, that sort of thing. Just make sure it's organic or from a good source. But I would recommend high dose iodine therapy, but please don't do this on your own. You can make your situation much worse if you don't do this properly. So please let me be your mentor or find someone who is an iodine literate practitioner who can be your mentor and who can help you with this. Okay. But again, people who want to eliminate endometriosis or any hormonal issue can't be on the pill. Okay. Because it fucks with your hormones and you can't fight against that. Okay. I hope that helps.
Okay. So Danielle. 'Hey, Danielle.' Danielle is on a lot of my live videos and she has a question and she says, 'Ah, my question.' So I think that was her question. That's great. 'Thank you.' She says, 'I found herbals wiped out a lot of my bacteria.' Yeah. 'Especially when done for months. Yes, I love NAC. What Diet did you use when addressing infections?' So, yeah, so I just go with a typical Paleo Diet. I don't believe in a low carb diet. It will not help you with yeast. Infections are very opportunistic. They are very adaptive and if you deprive them of one macronutrients, they will just turn around and eat the other. There's a lot of research that shows that Candida or other forms of yeast can thrive on Ketones, which is an extreme which you will produce if you're on an extreme low carb diet. I don't really think diet has a huge effect. I think it just needs to be a natural, whole foods, healthy diets that is free of crap. Okay, so that's why I like Paleo. I think you can introduce some grains, some dairy, beans and legumes in the future. But if your gut is really unhealthy, we want to go with a diet that really lowers phytic, act, phytic, phytic, access, acid and lectins. So these actually bind with minerals and move them out of the body and the body can't stay healthy if it doesn't have good mineral balance. So we want to be eliminating the foods that can actually make you more mineral deficient, which is why I love Paleo is a template. In my High on Energy membership. I call this the High on Energy diet. It's just basically a modified Paleo diet that gives a little bit more room for some of those foods that are typically not allowed, but that you might be able to tolerate because I believe in inclusive diets and not exclusive once. Okay.
Okay. 'So which lab do you use for mineral testing? How much does it cost for the test? I may book in.' So, so I use Trace Elements. I only recommend for mineral testing, Analytical Research Lab or Trace Elements because they don't wash their hair sample and most labs like Doctor's Data, a lot of the other ones I've seen on the market, they actually wash their hair sample which is going to mess with sodium, potassium, and zinc levels. So I only trust those two labs. I don't currently do kind of À la Carte lab testing with clients. You can book in with me and what am I comprehensive programs where we do run that test with other tests. You do have to apply. I only take on a very limited amount of one on one clients, but in my membership program in the High on Energy membership, which is a very low monthly cost, you can get that test for $200. On top of your monthly membership and then within that membership you get a group support for me. You get a facebook forum. So you can get all the support, but basically when you order the test, either myself or one of my personally trained practitioners, we create the protocol for you which we give to you in a document for you to follow. And then if you have questions you can ask me in the facebook group or in one of the group coaching calls that we do monthly and we do at least three sometimes we do four. So pretty high value. I do recommend doing that. Because right now I'm not taking on many one on one clients anymore and I don't anticipate taking on many more in the future. And there's probably going to be a time pretty soon where I'm not taking on any anymore. And I'm only working with people in the group program. Okay. Hope that answers your question, Danielle. I'm really happy to see you here. You're always tuning in and I really appreciate that. Okay.
Okay. So last question. And again, if you guys are on with me live, there's still a few of you on. Thank you for sticking with me. Definitely ask me in the comments. I'm happy to answer. So, 'Hi there. I just got my GI-MAP results back and I have a smidge of staphylococcus species point four, it should be and is less than one and staphylococcus Orris, which is point five, which it should be less than five. I know these are insignificant on the chart, but what do they mean?' Okay, so these fall into the additional overgrowth bacteria. So these bacterial infections are not common for your body to have, but they should be below detectable level, which on the GI-MAP you see that with the little, kind of sideways triangle like larger than or smaller than, and then the dl, which just means below detectable level.
So yes, the lab has ranges for all these infections, but from a functional standpoint, we want to see everything below detectable level like, because just because the lab isn't flagged as high doesn't mean it couldn't become high in the future and doesn't mean that if you were to test tomorrow that it wouldn't be high, right? Snapshot of a moving target. Remember that. So these are overgrowth bacteria, typically what these mean, like these will overgrow when they can, when they have the opportunity opportunity to. That's why they're called additional overgrowth, opportunistic bacteria, right? And so typically what it means is that you have either a deficiency in some of your friendly Microflora. You may or may not see that on the GI-MAP and it may mean that you have other infections. I address anything that pops up even if it's not getting flagged as high. So those all fall into the anti bacterial a section or kind of categories you'd want to do an anti bacteria. I'm a big fan of high dose garlic, something like lmx pro or [inaudible]. those are my favorite things for bacteria protocols. They tend to work really well. Okay. So, I hope that answers your question. Again, I address everything, even if it's not getting flagged as high because you just don't want to give it the opportunity to become high. Okay.
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HIGH on Energy TV Episode #3: What Causes Chronic Gut Infections?What's up with a chronic Candida or a parasite infection that just won't go away? You try everything! You eat a restrictive diet like GAPS, SCD, AIP or the Candida diet. You take round after round of antibiotic or herbal antimicrobial. Yet, every time you test you have yet another infection or the original infection is STILL there. Learn the shocking cause of chronic GI infections that no one is talking about.
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Hey guys, how's it going? Kendra here, welcome to episode three, I believe of High On Energy TV. Super excited to be doing these every week for you. And as always we're talking about a topic that I'm pretty into. So we're going to be talking about today, we're gonna be talking a little bit about chronic infections. And we're going to be discussing the cause of chronic infections because this is something I see all the time. I'm seeing it in a lot of my clients and a lot of people who are reaching out to me is that they have infections that no matter what they seem to do, they've taken antibiotics, they've done the conventional route, they've taken herb's, they've done diets, they've done all these things, yet they continued to have these infections and when they go back and they retest, these infections just keep coming up.
So if you guys are on with me, live on facebook live, say hi, let me know you're there. I'm super stoked to be able to connect with you and hang out with you guys today. So let's talk a little bit about what causes chronic infections. So before I get into that, getting a little ahead of myself here, as always, my brain's just like spinning a million miles a minute right now, but I want to talk a little bit about the importance of the gut and what happens when the gut isn't functioning properly. So, you know, the gut is how you break down your nutrients, your minerals, your vitamins, like pretty much everything you need for the body to function properly. I'm, your gut needs to actually break it down, break it down. It's not like we can just take a piece of Broccoli and transform it into energy, right? It has to go through this whole process of digestion, of getting broken down, getting pulled apart, getting absorbed, and then eventually ending up in our cell to actually give us that cellular energy. So it's a long process and it requires pretty good gut, gut function for us to be able to do that.
So, you know, digestion really starts when we, even when we smell food, so when we smell something that actually starts to stimulate the salivary glands, that's why your most starts to water, right? Because that's your body getting primed, you know, getting ready to start digesting because it's something that you're about to eat a meal. So that's what happens. First, he put the food in your mouth and probably about 5 to 10 percent of digestion happens here by salivary amylase. Which is in the mouth and help start to break down carbohydrates. Now, if you liked to inhale your food hole and don't chew, you're probably going to get a lot less digestion actually occur in the mouth because you actually want to be, you know, manually and sort of physically actually breaking down your food with your teeth in your mouth and allowing the families to work, okay. From their food goes into the esophagus and down into the stomach and in the stomach, this is when stomach acid gets secreted. And stomach acid is primarily responsible for breaking down protein. But also it's very important for mineral absorption. So for mineral and vitamin absorption. So that happens in the stomach and that stomach acid being triggered actually starts to have downstream effects. It stimulates the pancreas to start producing enzymes and it also stimulates or sort of sends a message to the gallbladder to tell the gallbladder to give off bile. So as the food travels outside the stomach, into the small intestine, that's where the pancreatic enzymes begin working on the food. And then you get the bile which comes from the gallbladder, which really starts to break down the fat content of the food. So a lot of that digestion is happening in the small intestine, is that food travels further down, it starts to feed bacteria in the large intestine, and those bacteria in your large intestine will actually start to pull further, further things like short chain fatty acids from the foods. So that kind of continues on. So pretty, pretty good, pretty, pretty important to have good digestion. You know, there is that saying that you are just what you eat, but really you are what you digest and absorb. You know, you could eat a really healthy diet, but if you're not breaking it down, if you're not digesting, if your gut is unhealthy, then yeah, I mean, you're just not gonna feel like you're getting anything from your food. You're going to feel like, I think I'm just making expensive poop, right? Because you're spending all this money on organic, high quality food yet, yeah, it's just not really getting to where it needs to go. Okay.
So one of the biggest hindrances on good digestion is actually infections and I test pretty much all the people that I work with, with a gut panel to identify infections and I don't really see any clean panels. I've seen the odd one where I'm like, oh, this is like strangely clean. And we ended up finding a different infection somewhere else. But most gut panels are actually pretty messy, pretty shitty pun intended. They've got a lot of stuff on them, that needs to be addressed. So when I talk about infections, I'm not just talking about parasites, I'm also talking about Candida or other strains of yeast. There are other strains of yeast that can inhabit the human body and cause issues. I'm talking about negative bacteria, infections. I'm talking about viruses, worms, and even something like h.pylori which infects the stomach. So when somebody gets infections, this is kind of a big deal, right? And you can go down a lot of different rabbit holes on various infections of what they cause and what they might be correlated with, but really like when we look at this from a bigger picture, when we look at sort of the take home message of infections is when they excrete their excretion is toxic. So just think of it as bug poop is toxic, so that is going to damage the lining of your intestine. It's toxic. So it is going to clog up detox pathways. It's going to put those detox organs and cells into overdrive. It's going to cause inflammation, right? And then the other thing it does is going to sort of out compete some of that more friendly, healthy flora that you want in your gut. So I feel like when I talk about this with clients, we're always talking about like war zones, right? There's always this kind of push and pull this ongoing battle between friendly and healthy flora, but also, the more negative ones and it's totally normal to have unhealthy strains of bacteria and organisms in you. But what we want is that the good always outweigh the bad and that the friendly flora, the one that you have a symbiotic relationship, a healthy relationship, the ones that help you boost your immune system, breakdown food, keep the gut lining healthy. We want to always have those out competing the bad. Okay.
So yeah, I mean, when someone has infections, because the gut is so crucial to us absorbing minerals and nutrients, I mean symptoms can be pretty far ranging. Yes. Some people do have those typical gut symptoms. They have bloating, constipation, diarrhea, maybe stinky gas, they have abdominal pain, they get cramps, they have acid reflux, gerd, that sort of thing. That's all very common. But what a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of people who do have chronic infections and gut issues, they don't actually have gut symptoms. So they're actually getting the brain symptoms. So they get the fatigue, they get the brain fog, they get anxiety, depression, maybe ocd, panic, they can get all those things. So you know, I, I often see that people have tons of infections and they're like, 'oh, but I don't have any symptoms of these. I have no gut infections. My gut feels really healthy.' And it's like, yeah, but those, that might not be how your symptoms are actually manifesting. Everyone is a little bit different. Everyone has a different experience and some people are just going to get acne or they're going to get really severe brain fog or they're just going to be frigging tired all the time. Like all of those things are possible because if you don't have minerals or nutrients because you can't absorb them properly from food, basically at a very basic level, your body doesn't have what it needs to function. Okay.
So let's talk about, because I think this is a really big confusion, is people think, well, 'I don't, I don't do a lot of traveling, like I'm really clean, like I always wash my hands, like, you know, I don't eat street meat, you know, like I'm not traveling to, you know, South America or wherever, Thailand,' wherever, any of these foreign countries that people may think that they can pick up infections. Like the truth is, organisms are very good at adapting. They can survive in a lot of different environments and they can be in North America or Europe or New Zealand, Australia. They can be anywhere in the world. It's actually totally normal that you do get exposed to pathogenic organisms. Like we're always getting exposed to them. But the big question is, well, why aren't they getting excreta? So let's talk about some of the lines of defenses when you excrete these, or excrete, when you ingest these, these negative organisms. And of course we could be digesting them through food, water, air, right, in our environment, even through our skin.
First line of defense is stomach acid. So we want a very acidic environment in the stomach because that actually kills off organisms. This is a big reason why you're usually told to take probiotics on an empty stomach. It's because that acidity and that stomach acid is actually very good at killing microorganisms. So when you have really healthy stomach acid, a lot of these things just die in the stomach, they don't even make it past. Beyond the stomach. The next thing we have are the gut flora. So the friendly flora that help, so something gets through those friendly flora, just come in and out compete it and get rid of it. So that's our second line of defense. And then our third line of defense is our immune system, right? So, our immune system will engulf these things, destroy them, send these killer cells towards them and get rid of them. So we do have those three lines of defense and if any of those are compromised, that means that these things can actually start to make a home in it. Because, you know, if you really needed a home as a parasite, like you're going to get into this dark, warm space in our guts, like that's a pretty sweet living situation, free rent, right? And a constant food source. So why wouldn't you want to make a home in a dark, warm gut, right? So those are the three main ways that people, you know, first begin to get infections. They have low stomach acid, they have poor immunity or they have imbalanced gut flora. So then we need to kind of look at this a little bit further and try to think about some of the things that might actually affect stomach acid. And so a big one is having an h.pylori infection. So you could have an h.pylori infection, which is a serious infection. It's an infection that I typically prioritize above everything else because it does open you up to having other infections. The other thing is mineral imbalances, so as zinc deficiency, or a sodium deficiency, these are things you actually need to build healthy stomach acid. If you have a deficiency in either of these, that can play into it as well. Copper toxicity is actually huge in this. A copper excess will deplete zinc and sodium. So it's a big reason why people have those deficiencies to begin with because there are copper toxic, okay. Stress will deplete stomach acid levels. So does alcohol, so to sugar and refined processed carbohydrates. So does Proton pump inhibitors. So a medication that lowers purposely stomach acid. If you read the fine print on Ppi's on Proton pump inhibitors, it actually actually tells you that you should not be taking these for longer than six weeks. And of course doctors have people on those for 30 years. So that is a big, bad thing. I mean, if you can avoid being on those longterm, that's, that's a big thing because it's a really hard medication to get off of. Okay.
And so I find that low stomach acid and chronic infections go hand in hand. But I want to dig a little bit deeper into why this is happening. Not a lot of people are talking about this. So get ready. This might actually surprise you, but there's actually quite a few research studies, not specific to human guts, but specific to fish and environmental pollutants. So parasites and yeast are actually very good at concentrating environmental chemicals and heavy metals in their cell walls. Okay? So you'll see this in fish and other organisms where there is a ton of toxins, metals, chemicals in the wall of the parasite, but there isn't the same level of toxicity in the fish or in that other organism or in the host.
So parasites actually act as sinks for pollutants of the host. So let's think about this for a second. What is a massive problem in the industrial industrialized world? It's metals, heavy metals, environmental chemicals. I like to call them xenobiotics, which is basically just a chemical does that does not belong in the human body. We are getting exposed to a lot of these things. Okay. So, they're all around us, right? Regardless of where we are, we have a pretty intimate relationship with toxins. Okay. And there has been quite a few researchers, that has suggested that the reason why we have these chronic infections that we cannot get rid of is because our body is allowing them to be there because they are giving us a symbiotic relationship to some degree, right? They are concentrating these toxins and metals. They are protecting us from them. So our body is like, these are actually incredibly beneficial. So yes, they are toxic and they're fucking shit up in there, but they are protecting us from something that is much worse. Okay. And you know, the research around this isn't really related to what's actually going on in the human body. I don't really think it has been proven that this could, this is definitively going on in the human body, but I 100 percent believe it. It makes sense if this happens in other organisms. I believe it does happen in humans too. If you want to read the research on this, just Google 'Parasites act as sinks for the pollutants of hosts.' That's sort of like the key words that will get you to those studies that I'm referring to. But I see this all the time, you know, I see people with these chronic infections that every time we retest we find more and more infections and we don't actually have any success in getting rid of the infections until we address the toxicity. I've had this experience as well. I'm like the poster child for chronic infections. I've had like six parasites. If had bacteria, like I've had all the strains of yeast, like pretty much on a GI-MAP test, I can click off and check off almost every box so far for infections except for h.pylori, which maybe I'm going to find on the next test. Okay.
So I'm, I'm someone who is very toxic. I have only started to see improvement in getting rid of these infections once I've started to address toxicity. And so I think it can be a big mistake to only address infections without actually addressing detox. Okay. And I know in the functional medicine world it's very trendy to talk about the gut these days. Everyone's talking about the gut because everyone's gut is unhealthy and there are so many people who , who are telling you that the gut is the root of all illness. They are telling you that, you know, the key to health is the gut and I don't buy it and I put probably a pretty unpopular view and people might feel weird about that but I don't buy it because I just see this time and time again, chronic infections that won't go away over and over and over again. People are getting these infections and nobody is addressing toxicity and it, it almost seems like kind of like, like a course like this of course moment to me because I'm thinking like we have 84,000 chemicals alone in the US and Canada that we are putting into the environment. We live in a plastic chemical world. I can't remember who said this, but 'we are marinating and chemical soup.' Those are not my words. I definitely heard someone else say that on a podcast, can not remember who it is. So I wish I could give them credit, but it's true. We are marinating in a chemical soup, and our body has found a protective mechanism. We have to address toxicity, we have to get metal out of the body, we need to address zinobiotics, we need to address environmental chemicals, we need to address glyphosate, glyphosate, roundup, we need to address it. And you know, personally I can speak of my own experience like I have had all the infections. I have been on probably seven different gut protocols and they didn't really do anything for me. Like yes, they made my digestion a little bit better, but they didn't really play into the bigger overall picture of my health. And every time I tested they would be back. And so now that I am on a detox program, I'm always detoxing. I'm always thinking about it. I'm balancing my minerals. At this point, my infections are finally starting to clear. Okay. So I think this is a really important piece. I don't think the root cause of illness is the gut. I think that the gut plays into that. I think the gut makes that worse. And I'm not saying you shouldn't get rid of infections, you still do need to get rid of the infections, but I believe the root cause of our illness, of hormonal imbalance, chronic gut issues, fatigue, brain fog, skin issues, it's the chemicals, right? And it's kind of like, well, 'Duh, you pollute the environment. You make it so incredibly toxic. Of course people are going to start getting sick,' right? And unfortunately we pass down our toxicity to the next generation. There is a thing called generational toxicity where we pass that on to our children and it's no wonder our children are so sick. Okay?
So when you work on the guts, when you work on your chronic infections, if you want to get rid of your chronic infections, you need to ask the question why? And you need to be addressing the detox in metals piece. So you might be wondering, well, how do I detox? I have a lot of opinions about detoxing, but the best way to start detoxing is with hair, mineral analysis testing. When you balance the mineral system, you allow the body to detox more effectively. And the body will start to do it naturally. Detox needs to be a very slow and calculated process. I don't think you should do it on your own. You should do it with someone like me, a practitioner who knows what they're doing, who has a good understanding of detox and how to actually do it safely. So I do recommend hair mineral analysis testing. If you want to do this with me, the best way is to join my group membership program. I have the High On Energy group membership where you get access to that testing as an upgrade and you get support from me. We work together. Also, it's a pretty bad ass sweet group of women. I have to say. I'm pretty stoked on everyone who's in that group. Very supportive. You know, it's really good to know you're not alone. So I do recommend signing up for that. If you want to do hair mineral analysis, if you want to do, if you want to detox and address the source of your chronic infections, if you want to grab that link for that, I'll put it in the show notes for the podcast or for, for facebook is just in the description.
And as always I like to give you guys some actionable tips. So let's talk about some things you can do to help yourself detox. So number one, best way to detox is get in a sauna. Any sauna we'll do, sweat it out. A lot of toxins can only leave the body through the, through the skin. And if you are so tired that you can't exercise, there is a good chance you are not getting any sweating or if you're like me and it's wintertime outside, you know, you're not sweating because it's freaking cold, right? So get in a sauna that can be really helpful. A coffee enemas are another great strategy. This is probably scares you, but most people do love them once they try them. A really great way to mechanically detox the liver. Supplement wise, I always talk about Pectasol-C from econugenics, it is a really great binder, it binds to roundup, to glyphosate, it binds to environmental chemicals and toxins, and it also binds to heavy metals, but it does not bind to minerals, so most binders will also bind to minerals which makes them not a good longterm strategy. Econugenics Pectasol-C, great product. I do not work for this company, I just think they have a great product and they backed up their strateg,y and their method, with testing. So I definitely recommend those. Those can be really great strategies to help yourself detox. And if you want to take it to the next level, do some mineral testing with me by joining my group membership program High On Energy. And if you just want to get started boosting your energy, if you don't know where to start and you just want to get my basic tips, grab my free energy checklist, again, I'll put that in the show notes for the podcast, in the description for my facebook live show. Definitely grab that. I have five of my basic tips, five tips that everyone should be doing if they want to have better energy levels, and these five tips will also help you begin to detox gently, slowly, and not in a scary, aggressive manner.Okay, so thanks so much guys. I appreciate you being here. I love connecting with you guys. I'll see you guys next week. We do one of these every single week on Tuesdays at 4:30 on facebook live and I released the podcast episode every Thursday, so thanks so much. I hope you guys have a great day and I will see you in the next show.
Tools mentioned in this episode:
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About Meghan Walker:
Dr. Meghan Walker is a naturopathic doctor and Entrepologist, focusing on the health optimization of female entrepreneurs and game changers. As an entrepreneur, Meghan started and sold her first business while in University and is a Co-founder and past CEO of the digital health media start-up, Bright Almond. She is the host of the Entrepology Podcast, Founder of Entrepology Labs, creator of the women's performance supplement line, Badass Basics and Chief Cheerleader at Clinician Business Labs - a platform to assist clinicians scale and amplify their businesses.
Meghan is fueled by the core belief that when people are well, they can change the world. Meghan views women as natural entrepreneurs, physiologically predestined for creation. She is driven to support them in achieving this potential by optimizing their health and mindset. Meghan has spoken internationally and through multiple media outlets on topics related to women's performance health and entrepreneurship. Most importantly, Meghan is the mother to three little girls, who is raising alongside her superstar husband in Toronto Ontario.
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Christine: Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of the 360 HealthBiz Podcast with myself, Christine Hansen, and usually Kendra Perry who is chilling in a hammock in Costa Rica right now. So I got myself another partner in crime for today's episode and we are here with Meghan Walker, and we're going to talk all things business. But first, if you do like our episode, if you do like listening to us, don't forget to head over to iTunes to leave us an amazing review and you can also see the video live or actually not live, but you can see it on our blog, 360healthbizpodcast.com.
And so without further ado, I'm going to present Meghan to you so that you know who we're going to talk to. So Dr. Meghan Walker is a naturopathic doctor and Entrepologist focusing on the health optimization of female entrepreneurs and game changers. So that's you guys out there. Even if you're not a female, I suppose she could still help you. As an entrepreneur, Meghan started and sold her first business while in University and is a Co-founder and past CEO of the digital health media start-up, Bright Almond. She is the host of the Entrepology Podcast, Founder of Entrepology Labs, creator of the women’s performance supplement line, Badass Basics, adore, by the way, love that name, Chief Cheerleader at Clinician Business Labs, watch out for that, we're going to talk more about it. A platform to assist clinicians scale and amplify their businesses. So I'm going to stop there, there's much more to say you can check out the complete bio on our notes, on our show notes. But Meghan, welcome so much to this episode. I'm so excited to have you.
Meghan: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Christine: So I'm really, really happy because Kendra and I, we both love talking business. We really, really do. And that's why that's one of the reasons why we created this podcast because I think it's really important, especially if you're in the health sector, it's different and other businesses, right? It's not like money coaching or you know, other business coaching. It's very, very different animals, so we love to talk to people who've, you know, walk the talk, who have had a successful career and who you know, can share tips with our listeners. Now the first thing that we'll usually do is we share a trick of the trade tool, so something that we love to use in our businesses and I ask, I ambushed you a little bit with this one,
Christine: But if there was one that you really liked, which one would it be?
Meghan: Well, you know, I have. I asked if I could have more than one, but I'm going to focus on one. You know, we have a tool that we use in our office and this is a cool hybrid between a health and business and it's called Living Matrix, and Living Matrix is a female run company out of New York. And this is a functional medicine platform and what Living Matrix enables you to do, is you can either have it on the front of your, your site and prospective patients can come and they can complete the questionnaire or you can give it to your patients in subsequent follow-ups. And it literally built out this functional medicine Matrix and where their body is stressed and where it's compensating and it becomes this really amazing tool because then you sit down with your patients, they completed it online, they're told that they get a result, and they can book an appointment with you to sit down and go through it, because. And I understand the functional medicine matrix is beyond the average person.
Meghan: They can't do it, they can't grab strategy from it. And so it becomes this really incredible platforms. So I use it as a practitioner. I still see patients because it's a way of me aggregating data in a unique way, but it's also this really incredible way of bringing new patients...
Meghan: and creating curiosity. So Living Matrix...
Christine: 'There's your problem, now hire me,'it's...
Meghan: Yeah, I don't work for them. I just like it. Yeah. No, it's great. It's great tool.
Christine: This is fantastic. I'm going to add that to the show notes for sure. Living Matrix. And I'm going to check it out, like I've never heard of it before.
Meghan: Oh yeah, no, it's great.
Christine: So there we go. We can stop now. That's fine. No I'm kidding.
Meghan: Thanks everyone.
Christine: Bye. No, literally, I'm mind blown. Okay. I'm going to check it out, people before you head off to check it out, finish and listen to the episode first, but what will happen in the show notes. But Megan obviously, I chose you to be a guest because we love to learn more about running a business, right? And health business is just different and you have successfully created this platform. So I want you to talk a little bit more about that. And also I find a lot of the people that I talked to have invested a lot of money in traditional business coaches,
Christine: Who usually train business coaches, right?
Christine: So, and they find that a lot of strategies just don't quite work. So maybe you can explain why and maybe things that you have found are just different.
Meghan: Yes. So but, if just stopped me because I have this tendency to talk, but my background is as a naturopathic doctor. And, I was, I was drawn to this profession. Secondary to an interest that I had in business. So as you mentioned, I had a business, I had sold it and, and I grew up in a fairly entrepreneurial family, so that was a given that I was going to go into that field and then I discovered naturopathic medicine and I was like, 'oh, so such a smart way of thinking.'
Meghan: Right, and so I couldn't, I couldn't shake it. So I was like, all right, fine, I'll go. [inaudible] I went through this through this lens and, and I set up a practice and we started to build that practice, and we tried a few things and some things worked and some things didn't. But, you know, one of the things I realized early on in, in my career is that I had a profession where I understood why everyone needed me, but consumers in turn did not understand why they needed to come and see me.
Christine: [inaudible] Yes.
Meghan: Right? So when you have a business where your service is incredibly valuable and your level of responsibility and, education means that you're going to command a certain price point, but then consumers have no idea why you're valuable. You're marketing costs are so disproportionate. And so what it did is it created this, this landscape where I was like, man, we've got all these incredible practitioners with a body of knowledge that could truly transform healthcare and they don't know how to talk to consumers because there's this complete disconnect. And I was sort of fascinated by it, and I was also really frustrated for my colleagues just because I was like, I have really incredible clinician colleagues who could be really transforming the health of people and they don't, they don't know what to do. And so I sold my practice to my business partner five years in and I decided to establish a micro-practice myself. But then I was like, I want to look at how we can expand access to consumers to practitioners. And so really went deep on that to understand what people were doing well, what people weren't doing well. For me, my own. I had, I had some natural knack with respect to business in my back pocket and started to do some strategy work with practitioners. And I consider myself more strategist than a coach.
Christine: And my area of expertise is really understanding how do we create expandable, scalable practices for practitioners that don't deplete them, that doesn't mean they're treating more time for hours. And doesn't always mean they're going online.
Christine: Oh, I have tears like in my eyes.
Meghan: So wait, but you asked what's different, right? And I have practices where like I need people to stop telling me that I can only exist in the online space because they're like, 'I want to see people, but I'm burning out.' So we build these really interesting hybrid programs where they can leverage the online space and in-office space we helped them create transformational in-office programs so they can teach to colleagues. So they can either licensed their methodology or they can bring in other colleagues to work in there and practice it, you work a fraction of the time but your whole team is delivering your care model. So we really start to teach people frameworks to expand their way of thinking, because not only do I think we deserve to earn a really great living, but I think that we also, through the use of innovative thinking, we can reach more people. And so it had practitioners all the time, I'm just going to lower my rates to make myself more accessible and I was like, 'you will not do that. You're going to innovate to become more accessible. You are not going to commoditize yourself.' So we just have a lot of different frameworks that we, that we use, we do. We spend a lot of time really helping practitioners understand their worth and value, and then build out a business plan that is unique and different but ultimately helps, helps people. And so we ran a big event here in the fall called, impact lives, and we made a public declaration that by 2025 we want to help 50 million people reach green practitioners,
Christine: Oh my god.
Meghan: which means we have to make a lot of practitioners,
Meghan: expand their reach. And so that's, that's what we're committed to doing.
Christine: Oh, mind blown.
Meghan: Like, like big, big, big, big goals. Because this is really powerful what we're doing, so.
Christine: [inaudible] absolutely.
Christine: I think there's so many people. Like personally I have a business model where I would never [inaudible], I would always just work with a handful of clients. That's what I chose to do, but I do know so many people who are like, the heart's desire is to help as many people as they can. Right. So it's, both are fine, you know, both models are absolutely fine,
Christine: but if you ask someone, and I think the typical practitioner that I have in my head, that's probably your client I would say, is someone who has that idea, you know, who has already conformed. So is asking, I don't know, $60 an hour, I don't know. Average. Something like that is working 40 hours, minimum, maybe 40 hours, seeing people a week, but then having all the back work, you know, getting prepped and all that stuff is coming on top of that. So more of a 60 hour week. What is the first thing that you usually tell them to do? Or what is the one step where you say, okay, that needs to be the groundwork before we can do anything else?
Meghan: Yeah, I usually take them out of practice at least one day a week.
Meghan: We just, we just slash it from their schedule. So there's massive trepidation, and then we usually increase their rates by 30%, because we create some innovative ways for people to access them. But we do that because everyone gets caught in this model where they're working in their business and they have no foreseeable way to start working on their business and they start doing it at night once the kids are down and it's like 8 o'clock in the evening and they're exhausted and they maybe poured a glass of wine and then their like, 'I'm going to work on my business?' You're not, like, you're not gonna work on your business, you're gonna look at one email and you're gonna go to bed.
Meghan: So we just take an entire day off their, off their schedule. And I remember the first time I did that for myself, I tripled my income within the next quarter.
Christine: That's crazy.
Meghan: I just honed in on my, on my, on my strategies and I blew through that myth that I need to see more people to make more money because that has a ceiling and you can't burst through it. So, yep. So take people out of work.
Christine: So when you say 'innovative,' like for me, innovative is obviously something new or something that has existed, but in a new way, what would be one of the techniques that you would say it's actually not brand new, but we just do it in an in a way that hasn't been done before? So what would be one thing that you can see in practitioners eyes when you tell them go like, 'oh,' you know, like this 'ting,' mind blown.
Meghan: Right. Well yeah. So sometimes yes, sometimes it's about like reaching more people and then sometimes it's about how do you leverage your existing platform so you're not wasting time redoing the same thing. So for example, I have got some really great colleagues near me and they've thought out these incredible group coaching programs, and if you want to see the practitioner one-on-one, you've got to graduate to the group coaching program first. So they don't have to do months of like, this is what gluten is, and this is how you take out dairy and, and this is what your hormones should look like, you go through the curriculum before you have access to that practitioner, and they're building a community at the same time. So you know, we know that community is so vital and critical to someone's health and so they built that. So these people are feeling amazing before they even walk into the practitioner's office. So the works really easy. Another example would be the utilization of health coaches in a practice. So if you're a clinician and then I see my role as a naturopathic doctor to set strategy for my patients, but I can't be on the phone with them everyday to implement, and it's the implementation that's gonna make a difference for them. So getting strategy based practitioners to start to leverage people who are highly trained in implementation is a game changer for everyone, creates new income streams in it and it shifts things around. So those would be two examples where we can just innovate in the delivery of care and those weren't even technology dependent.
Meghan: Technology. Right. And the technology example might be, you know, if we're doing, like a really comprehensive hormonal evaluation or it gut health evaluation, I could sit for an hour and explain it to a patient or I could record a five minute video and uploaded into their patient portal and ask them to watch it and then after bring any questions to the visit. And now we're having a 20 minute follow-up, not a one hour follow up. It took me 10 minutes to create an uninterrupted video and they can go back and watch it. So there's lots of ways of creating efficiency through innovation that's not, it's not expensive, it's just about bringing a creative lens to the stuff we've already got.
Christine: Alright. So I'm going to play the devil's advocate here because I love what you're saying. Absolutely. But I can hear people, you know, have this little voice creeping up, 'but if I have a coach working with me, obviously I can't charge as much because I have to split with a coach or if I'm just going to send that video, obviously I can't charge as much because I don't spend as much time with them.' I guess these are, you know, objections you hear all the time.
Christine: Why is that not true?
Meghan: Yeah, I love that question. Here's what that question assumes and where we're stuck, when we're asking that question, the assumption is the only value that you're giving people is your time. And I would say the most valuable thing you're giving people is your strategic thinking and your body of knowledge. And for my patient base, the more efficient I can be in my appointments, the more grateful they are because they've got busy stuff to do. So if I can bring them in and say these resources are already in your portal and as I've linked you to this video and Dah, Dah, it's all there and we're just going to touch base and set strategies, they're like, 'Amazing, thank you.' And I say to them, 'Right now. Now you're going to meet with your health coach.' They're like, 'thank you.' It doesn't cut into my rates. It's still just, it's the same price to come and see me because you're buying my strategy. You're not buying my time.
Christine: Oh my God, this is so true. And it's also your clients, their time is precious.
Meghan: Their time is precious. Yep.
Christine: It's so funny. I have, my program has two different. I have three programs, but basically two of them are exactly the same except that one takes 6 successions and the other is one day, because we do everything in one day.
Christine: One day one starts from 10k because those people are just like, I don't have time for six sessions, you know? So it's just, it's also respecting their time because they are like, I prefer having a Saturday or Sunday where we'll break out into this and you know, work hard and then I have follow up if I need to because they are doers. So it's time, it's just, it's not your time. It's their time as well. So how do you communicate that element? Because I think people, it's not just the practitioners who have this mind-set, right, that it's like the time that it's been paid for,
Christine: but sometimes a certain type of client has the same kind of idea. How do you communicate that strategy is what you pay for instead of time and it is logical, but what would it be like, for example, a sentence or something that you've noticed that when your clients are saying it, their patients actually get.
Meghan: Yeah, so we just. We spent a lot of time really understanding what the outcome is that our patients want to achieve, and then asking the question, how do you know when you're going to be successful? And so when we, when we lay those pieces out in front of them, then we said, part of our methodologies, we're going to build a strategy and we tell them right in that meet and greet appointment, that appointment they're not even paying for where they're just getting to see if there's good alignment. They're like, this is how we work, so we're highly committed to outcome for you and we have two layers of people who are gonna help you, the strategists, and the implementers, and here's why we've seen them be successful. And then at that point if people are like, 'No, I just want to spend three hours with my naturopath.' I'm like, 'Great. I have tons of people I can refer you to. It's not how we work,' and what I've historically seeing, because I get pushed back from new entities, because they're like, 'No, we don't want to say no to the patient,' and they really want to, they want to work on diet with the patient, for example, because they want a reason to bring them back and charge them for another visit. But what I see happening is you have a practitioner who should be working as the strategist, who sees the patient for all the implementation and you can't get through much. So by the time someone's benefits are expired or they've just lost interest in the process. All you've done is take a dairy and gluten and put them on a multivitamin and they're like, 'Ah, naturopathic medicine doesn't really work.'
Christine: Yeah, it's just a generic kind of stuff.
Christine: It's not.
Meghan: It's really not. It's actually really sophisticated what we're doing. So where we can leverage different individuals to, [inaudible] something like apps to coach, not necessarily health coaches, but where we can use different things to help with that implementation piece. We want to do that because that's gonna, that's gonna make or break patient, patient success and I just don't have enough time to do that.
Christine: Yep. And I find that high quality care is actually a person with a great referral network, you know, saying, 'Look, this is not my boathouse. I'm super great at this, but here is my network and I think this person would be amazing for you.' And that's also I find a sign of being a person of integrity and being a person who has a certain standard in class. Literally. Because you have that network of amazing people and you know what is the most efficient for your client. And clients love that. Clients love to know, okay, well connected Dah, Dah, Dah, Dah, Dah. I get the best care of whatever is possible. Even if it's not like that person itself, which is totally fine. It's much better than the mind-set of I need to keep everything for myself. It's just not worth it. The more you let it go, the more revenue will come in. It's crazy like that. It's like.
Meghan: Yes. Yep. My best referral sources are from people who I've actually never treated, but saw and referred out to other high quality along the line people and they're like. And they just, they just keep sending new people. It's amazing. It's amazing.
Christine: And it's, it's what I say all the time. Also I niche on a certain type of person. Right? So I'm just, my price tag is not for everyone and one of the things that I always say is I don't take it personally if you find it too expensive, right. And that's when people are like, 'Oh, thank you.'
Meghan: Yeah, absolutely.
Christine: But being honest like that, that's what is creating a bond that goes even beyond working with them one on one afterwards.
Meghan: Right. Yeah.
Christine: So walk me a little bit through your process when. Okay. I can imagine that I have lots of people who are listening right now and they're like, 'Oh my God, I want to work with her. I want to know what her company is like, how can I get on board? I totally need this.' So what, what we through the process of how do people get in touch with you, what do you usually do? What would it look like?
Meghan: Yeah. So we have two core, we have two of our core programs that we offer. One is called the first 18, and the first 18 is really designed for is a foundational business program and we originally launched it for new practitioners and it was like, what are all the strategic business things you need to understand from the second you get your license through that first 18 months of practice. And so this is everything from marketing strategy, to financial planning, to operational strategy, because I just want to help people think like an entrepreneur. And so that, that's our, that's our foundational program that a lot of, while we intended for it to be for new practitioners, we have a lot of people who are like 10 years out like, 'Actually, I feel like I never got the basics.' So that's often where people start and then we have, a more advanced program called the clinician code, and the clinician code is a one-year program for practitioners, and we're gonna look at doing a six-minute version, but there's a lot of material to cover. And what we do for practitioners over the course of the year is we help them find their area of authority within the marketplace, and then develop an in office transformational program. And so one of our area of expertise is to work with regulated practitioners who have to work with, with regulators, but how do we help them start to build out strategic programming. And usually the implementation of that becomes a hybrid of an in office program and some elements that are online. But we talked about things exactly like we talked about today. How do we create innovation within tools that you already have within your practice? And what we really want for people to have at the end of that is a full transformational program that they could then choose to license if they wanted to license, that they could grow out within their practice if they wanted to do that. How do we build on residual income opportunities on top of that, but it becomes the backbone upon which we build all these other elements of their practice. So that's what we really look at accomplishing in that when your program. And then I do take on a really small number of private coaching clients on a quarterly basis.
Christine: I love it. I absolutely love it. I have one last question. I know that you have a sweet spot for female entrepreneurs, but you do this for men and women don't you?
Meghan: Yes, I do. So in my, in my medical practice, that's where I work a lot with female entrepreneurs, but in our coaching with Clinician Business Labs, yeah we'll work with everybody. But I mean there's so many women in healthcare now.
Christine: I know.
Meghan: It's, it's, it's amazing. And, you know, I had, when we, when I launched my start-up and we were doing funding and I was flying back and forth to California and I was pregnant with my third child and I, so like I get it and that's part of the conversation that I can have with women is, how do you build up a clinical practice and how do you build up any kind of business while you're also, like, you got little people and, and how do you balance all of that? And, and, it's just, it's another area I'm really passionate about, but it's why I ended up having this conversation with, with women is we're in a, we're in a unique position, where we're trying to build a family and a business at the same time.
Christine: I totally agree. I absolutely love this. I'm going to be very blunt. I have kind of an idea what you did, but not really.
Meghan: No problem. Those are the best interviews, right?
Christine: But we did meet or we did connect through the mindshare group. So everyone is out there who hasn't joined joint mindshare yet, have a look. It's an amazing community, by Jj Virgin and Karl Krummenacher. Is that his name? I think so. Check it out. Made amazing connections there. So that's how we got, somehow got into each other's spheres. But I have to say I'm really, really, really happy that you've been on this podcast because it's completely in our boathouse and inlined with what we preach and how we run our businesses. So this has been phenomenal. So last question, we're going to have everything in the show notes, but when people are fired up right now and they're like, I need this, how do they get in touch with you or your team?
Meghan: Yeah. So you can always find us at our website. It's clinicianbusinesslabs.com. And probably the fastest way to link to that is just through Instagram. And my Instagram handle is @DrMeghanWalker. Meghan with an H. [inaudible]
Christine: That's so interesting. Instagram, huh?
Meghan: Yeah. Oh yeah. I hired through Instagram. We like, we hang out on Instagram a lot.
Christine: That's. See that's like a whole other topic, we need to reschedule. Kendra is huge on Instagram too, like I kind of dabbled around with it but I don't really get it, but yeah. Okay, good. Well it's trade marketing. Obviously, it seems to work. So, okay. I'm super excited. Thank you so much for sharing this wisdom,
Meghan: Such a pleasure.
Christine: like it's been lots of light bulb moments and I just know that so many of you listening this is going to be such a shortcut, like and, I cannot recommend getting help enough, like trying to, figuring it out on your own. It's not worth it. Really get some help and I think you know Meghan and your team, you would probably be amazing at this, so I hope that lots of people will reach out. I love what you shared with us today. Thank you so much. And if you guys out there like the two, then leave us a five star review on iTunes. You can also become a patron of the show. It's all on 360healthbizpodcast.com where you will also find the transcripts and the show notes and the links about everything that we talked about today. So thank you so much Meghan.
Meghan: Such a pleasure.
Christine: And we will be back in two weeks together with Kendra that time. And, I hope you have a wonderful well, Thanksgiving as we are recording this. It's probably going to be later, but you know, then it's going to be thanksgiving, 2019 or 20, whatever. It's gonna be a new one. So I'm happy Thanksgiving for all of you guys and we'll be talking in two weeks. Bye.
HIGH on Energy TV Episode #2: Is Iodine Deficiency the Cause of Your FatigueIodine deficiency can absolutely drain your energy levels, cause resistant weight gain and mess with your estrogen metabolism. Unfortunately, this is one of the most common deficiencies I see with my clients. Tune in to see if you are at risk for iodine deficiency, what causes it and the most important steps you can take to avoid it.
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Hello, Hello, welcome to high on energy TV. This is episode two. I'm super, super excited. You're here and I'm really, really excited to talk about. Today's topic is iodine deficiency, the cause of your fatigue. So I'm Kendra Perry. I'm your host and I cannot wait to bring you more energy and this topic today is very, very important. Okay. We know that a lot of us are struggling with low energy. That's probably why you're tuning in for this episode because your energy is a bit sub-par or even worse. It's barely even there. You're rating it like a two or three out of 10 and you're wondering, well, what the fuck? Why do I feel so shitty? And it's a really good question because there are a lot of things that can play into fatigue, but this deficiency, iodine deficiency is actually one of the major causes of fatigue and it's one of the most common deficiencies that I am seeing in my clients.
Once we correct this deficiency, it has a big results. I've seen big results and the people I work with, but also in myself. This is a huge part of why I was able to reverse my debilitating fatigue and get out of that fatigue ditch. Okay. So let's start by talking about what is iodine. So when you think of iodine, you might be thinking of iodine that's in your first aid kit, right? Because I think a lot of us, you know, we maybe use iodine to disinfect wounds, but we're not really fully aware of how important of a role it plays in our bodies and in our diet. So let's talk about some of the things that iodine is important for. So number one, detox. Iodine is a very powerful detoxifier. It helps you detox. So we need iodine in order to detox, especially certain metals like excess copper and mercury. So we need iodine for that. We also need iodine to have healthy thyroid hormone production. So T4 and T3, those are your thyroid hormones. Those are actually made from iodine. Okay. T3 is three molecules of iodine and T4 is four. So if we want to have healthy thyroid production and hormone production, we actually need to have good levels of iodine and this is a big deal because we know that when our thyroid isn't working, we have a lot of fatigue, but we also struggle with weight gain. We tend to be very cold. You might have insomnia and they'd have low stomach acid. You might have cold hands and feet and have a really hard time keeping your body temperature strong. There's a lot of things that can happen when your thyroid is under functioning. And I actually believe a lot of thyroid issues are, have an underlying iodine deficiency. There's a lot of things that play into thyroid health, but definitely iodine deficiency is huge. Okay. So when it comes to thyroid hormone or thyroid health, you really want to be considering your iodine levels.
The other thing that I had is incredibly important is estrogen metabolism. So you need iodine to properly metabolize estrogen and also to produce enough healthy estrogen. There's not just one type of estrogen. There are healthy metabolites of estrogen so you can metabolize your estrogen down healthy pathways into healthy metabolites, and then there are unhealthy metabolites, but when you have iodine deficiency, you tend to produce a lot of the unhealthy metabolite. So that means that women who have iodine deficiency can very easily get things like fibroids, endometriosis, and fibrous cystic breast disease. If you have fibrosis cystic breast disease, I hope you're tuning in, you need to pay attention because iodine is a huge, huge culprit in this. And the only way for you to have any success of reversing fibrous cystic breast disease is by paying attention to your iodine levels.
So we also need iodine for energy. That has to do with how it's involved with the thyroid hormone, like we discussed before. There are receptors in every single cell in your entire body for iodine. And, so you will not have good cellular energy organ energy overall if you don't have good iodine levels. We also need iodine for intelligence and brain health. So when it comes to developing children or developing babies in the womb, in that first trimester, a lot of the intelligence and brain function is built and if the woman who is producing that baby, if she is iodine deficient, but it's going to affect the intelligence and brainhealth of that developing baby. So it's very important and it's also important for our own brain health. People with iodine deficiency tend to have a lot of brain fog. They tend to feel very foggy because they don't have enough production actually have that healthy, sharp, clarifying brain health. The other thing that iodine does is it's a very potent antimicrobial, so it's antiviral, antiparasitic, antibacterial and antifungal. So it does help us fight off infections. So that's a big way, a reason why it's in your first aid kit, right, because you're rubbing it on your little cut and it's helped. It's helping prevent infection. So it's very anti microbial as well. So pretty important stuff. Iodine is a very important mineral and like I said, pretty deficient in the population today.
So let's talk a little bit about some of the ways a person may get deficient. So you know, the obvious answer to this is low dietary intake. So definitely in North America, I mean we don't consume as much iodine as people who are living in Asia. So in Asia people might actually be consuming on average about 12.5 milligrams a day. Where as in the United States and Canada we're getting a mere fraction of this. And the recommended daily allowance for iodine is excessively lowly crazy, crazy low. It's only 150 micrograms. So when you compare a 150 micrograms to 12.5 milligrams in Asia, I mean people who live in Asia are consuming almost a 100 times as much iodine as we are. So I don't understand why our rda for iodine is so crazy low because it's barely enough to give you proper function. It's enough to prevent goiter and to prevent disease. But it's not actually enough to give you energy to promote thyroid health and give you all those benefits that we discussed them beginning of this video. And in a lot of cases in North America, we do tend to have very iodine deficient soil. So unless you live near the ocean and you're consuming a lot of sea vegetables and kelp and fish and spending a lot of time in the ocean, there's a good chance you're just not getting enough iodine into your diet. Okay.
And then on top of that, there are a lot of things that actually compete with iodine absorption in our body and very easily make us deficient. So it's the halide chemical. So this is going to include things like chlorine, chloramine, bromine, and fluoride. So these are a group of chemicals or metals and actually compete with iodine at the receptor level. So if you're getting exposed to these things, they can actually push iodine off of the receptor and then bind to the receptors. So even if you then consume iodine, you know, maybe after this video you're like, oh, I need to think about my iron levels. I'm going to go buy some Kelp, I'm going to go get some sea vegetables and, start consuming more iodine, but if you have these halides attached to your receptors then that iodine just kind of bounces off and gets excreted rather than binding to the receptor and getting absorbed into the system. And this is the thing, if you are drinking tap water or if you ever have in your recent life you are getting a Shitload of halides, right? Because if you're drinking city or municipal water, it's disinfected with chlorine. It also has chloramine in it. And depending on where you live in the world, there may be fluoride as well. So a lot of us are consuming these chemicals in the form of our water every single day, multiple times a day. And that is making us iodine deficient. So drinking, tap water is a big no, no. You can't drink it. It's, I mean, it's not only going to affect your iodine levels, but it's going to bring all kinds of other toxins into your world. And, you know, it's funny because when I talk to people, you know, people were like, oh, well we have really clean water, like our city apparently has the cleanest water, like I don't even know what that means. It's like complete and total bullshit because there are so many chemicals and crap in municipal and city water, sure, maybe it's clean of parasites or bacterial organisms or feces because they disinfected with chlorine. But most, I mean, all municipal and city waters, they're not filtering for metals. They're not filtering for glyphosate. They're not not filtering for residue or runoff from agriculture, like pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, they're not filtering for what's the word I'm looking for? Drug residues. So this is another big one. So a lot of people are taking prescription drugs. They pee out what's left of that prescription job into the toilet that goes back into the water system. And that actually goes back into the water drinking system. So nobody is filtering for these things. And chlorine is toxic. Chloramine is toxic. Fluoride is especially toxic. So there's this big piece of tap water that, I mean most people around the world are drinking and this is making us incredibly iodine deficient, even if we are consuming good healthy sources of iodine, okay.
Bromine is another one. And so maybe you're like, oh, well I drink spring water or among creek water or, you know, I filter my water, I make sure those things aren't in it. Well, you know, you gotta look at like your car, your furniture, your mattress, because these things tend to have bromine added to them and they do off gas and we actually absorb them into our lungs. Nonorganic strawberries are sprayed with bromine, bromine used in a lot of breads as a levener so helps bread rise. So a lot of us are still getting exposed to those things as well. And these make us iodine deficient, and as it's really problematic. So when you start getting iodine deficient, that's when hypo thyroid starts to pop up. You start having thyroid issues, the course that is going to play into your energy levels. Not having proper iodine levels actually can promote Hashimoto's. And this, you know, people don't get this because there's a lot of fearmongering out there around iodine and people are going to say, are going to tell you you're going to find this on the Internet that people are saying, oh, well if you take iodine with Hashimoto's, it's like adding fuel to the fire and it's going to make Hashimoto's worse. Well, there's actually a lot of research that points towards iodine deficiency being one of the primary causes of Hashimoto's and I can tell you that I use and iodine protocol with all my clients with Hashimoto's and hypothyroid and they're getting results. Okay. It's not making their thyroid issues worse. So there is a lot of fearmongering around it probably because it's a very poorly understood mineral and a lot of people don't understand that, you can't just willy nilly go out and take iodine. There's a whole protocol that comes with it that needs to be customized for you. So you do need to be working with an iodine literate practitioner to be doing iodine therapy safely.
So I mentioned in the beginning it's really, really important for estrogen hormone metabolism. So it can lead to that buildup of damaging estrogens, it promotes the 16 OH pathway. So that's one of the metabolites that your estrogen gets turned into, and this is the metabolite that actually leads to a lot of tumor growth. So that can cause things like fibroids, endometriosis, and it can promote fibrous cystic breast disease. Very, very common. This is a symptom I see all the time, and these people desperately need iodine. Your energy levels will drop. You will gain weight. It's really hard to maintain a healthy weight when you were iodine deficient. You get that resistant weight loss were like, no matter what you do, you can't lose weight. You're like eating healthy, you're exercising, you're fasting, and you're just stuck. You're not getting anywhere with your weight. That can indicate an iodine issue as well. I mentioned the brain fog. It can make your brain feel really, really foggy. Really, yeah, just fuzzy. I'm like, you're walking around in a tunnel. That's a very typical iodine deficiency symptom. Like I mentioned, poor, poor detox, so it can be lead to the buildup of certain metals and toxins in the body because you're not able to detox properly, and then there are a lot of studies that are associated with thyroid, ovarian, and breast cancer, so it can definitely have that and it will will lead to the buildup of copper and mercury in your body because you actually need iodine to detoxify those things. Okay.
So yeah, lots going on with iodine. Really, really important to care about status. I mean, I would definitely put a big priority on adding iodine rich foods into your diet. The best way to do this is with sea vegetables. Things like kelp and seaweed and Nori, all those tasty little sea vegetables. It's a really good way. Just make sure you're buying them from a really good source. You want to buy them from someone who's testing them for metals, for toxins because unfortunately our oceans are getting pretty contaminated these days. So you just want to make sure that you get these things from a reputable company, someone you trust in order, just so you're not making yourself toxic, okay. Another really great supplement that I do recommend is kelp and again, you have to be careful on the brand that I trust the most called nature's way and they make kelp capsules and they test them and this is actually a really affordable supplement. Like I think you can go on, iherb.ca and get a bottle of 180 capsules for like $8 or $9 and you can take six capsules a day. It's a really great way to boost your iodine status on top of those food sources of iodine. Really, really love nature's way, Kelp.
So let's talk about testing for iodine. So blood testing for iodine isn't going to work. Urine testing for iodine doesn't really work either because it doesn't really tell us what's going on with the iodine. Like if you have high iodine levels in your urine, is it high because you have enough or is it high because your body's excreting it because the receptors are blocked with halides. The best tests for iodine is probably iodine loading test. So basically this just involves you taking high doses of iodine. And then seeing how much is getting excreted in the urine and you know, if your, if your receptors are saturated with iodine and then it just gets dumped in the urine so should actually have technically, if you have good iodine levels, you should actually have high excretion in the urine and that means like your iodine status is pretty good. But if you have really high uptake of iodine and it tells you that you're deficient because those receptors can only take up iodine when they have space on the receptors and what we want is full receptor saturation of iodine. But the problem with this test is you may excrete a lot of iodine if you have a lot of halide chemicals attached to your receptors. So you know, it, it's not always, a definitive test. The way that I like to determine iodine deficiency is actually with hair trace mineral analysis or each HTMA testing. So technically there is no iodine marker on the HTMA panel because it's actually not excreted through the hair. It is primarily excreted through the urine. But all the minerals have a relationship with each other so I can look at the, the minerals that have the most tightly wound relationship to iodine and determine if there's an iodine deficiency. And then of course looking at symptoms, people's symptoms as well, because you know, if people have endometriosis, if they have fibrous cystic breasts disease, if they have fibroids like severe estrogen issues, they have Hashimoto's, hypo thyroid, I'm probably going to want to put them on an iodine protocol, but I can actually look at the potassium levels of lithium, siledium, calcium and copper, and when I look at those, I can actually look at them and determine is someone's iodine deficient. Because typically people who are iodine deficient, they have really low potassium and really little lithium levels, very hard for the body to absorb and hold onto those minerals without good iodine status. Also, iodine deficiency, tends to cause the buildup of calcium that actually in effect slows the thyroids. You end up with this really high calcium on hair mineral analysis and you may end up with copper toxicity, so there may be high copper or hidden copper on the hair mineral analysis tasks and there may be low selenium levels as well. You also may see a buildup of aluminum because iodine deficiency can affect the aluminum levels and mercury as well. So I don't directly measure iodine. I look at the person, I look at hair trace mineral analysis or HTMA testing. And then based on that, I determine if somebody needs iodine. If someone needs an iodine protocol.
So this is not this video, this is not the ticket to go out and start just willy nilly taking iodine. I really don't recommend doing that because if you don't do it properly, you can just waste your money or you could actually cause your body some stress. So you need to do the iodine protocol properly. So you do want to be working with an iodine literate practitioner like me and someone who runs hair mineral analysis because you want to make sure that you only take iodine. Well, also supporting the other minerals that need supporting, but I want to give you guys some good take home actionable tips, things that you can do right now to support your iodine status. So we talked about sea vegetables, really great way to do that. Sea vegetables, kelp, Nori, dulse, that sort of thing. Just making sure you're getting it from a really good quality organic source. The other thing to do is to filter your tap and shower water. Okay. Because if you ever hope to have good iodine status, you need to stop exposing yourself to halides that are competing with iodine. So I always recommend that people actually start with your shower water because the halides, especially chlorine, chloramine, fluoride, which are typically in municipal city water, they have really low vapor point, so that means that they vaporize, you know, at pretty low temperatures. So if you're having a hot shower, those halides are turning into gases and you're actually absorbing them through your skin and you're absorbing them directly into your lungs. This is actually a massive cause of respiratory issues and asthma. Okay. So I do recommend starting with a showerhead filter, which is great because they're relatively cheap. I like Berkey B e r k e y and Pure Effects Filters. It's like $80. It's not an expensive filter and you just put it on your shower. Once you've done that and you can afford it, I recommend getting a filter for your tap water. I personally use Pure Effects. I like it because I can actually attach it to my tap because I don't like having to fill up a canister because I'm lazy and I don't have fucking time for that. So I like to attach it to my filter. If you don't have fluoride in your water, you can get the compact version, which is the lowest price point. So what you can do is you can pull up your city's water report and just see if they put fluoride into the water. And if they don't, you can go with the compact. But if you do have fluoride in your water, you need to upgrade and go with the ultra. So it's more expensive, but you know, you're getting that fluoride out of your water. We've talked about kelp taking the nature's way, kelp capsules, you can take as much as five to six capsules a day, which is, a few milligrams of iodine. So really good if you couple that with food, you're going to get close to more of that kind of Asian intake of kelp of iodine, which is really important. Plus the Kelp has a lot of other minerals in it, all the cofactors for iodine. So it's a really good, awesome support for iodine if you aren't ready to work with a practitioner and go on a, an iodine protocol.
So those are my recommendations. I hope that helps. This is a really big thing. This is really made one of the biggest impacts on my life. When I started taking iodine, it was like somebody turned on the fucking lights. I was like, I was walking around in a tunnel. I was lying in that fatigue ditch just so exhausted. I was struggling with chronic fatigue for so many years. And yeah, the iodine really turned things around for me. So really, really, really important thing to consider if you are struggling with energy issues or any of the symptoms that we discussed today. So guys, if you want more for me, make sure to download my Free Endless Energy Quick Guide. I have tips on improving iodine and boosting your energy in this guide. It's pretty juicy. Honestly. I give all my best stuff in this guide, so make sure to download that. And if you want to work with me, if you want my support and you want access to functional testing, like the hair trace mineral analysis that we discussed today, join me and my high on energy group membership program. I've got a group of some pretty bad ass ladies and you get full access to me, group coaching calls, facebook forum, plus you can upgrade and purchase the hair trace mineral analysis and see where your iodine levels are at. So if you want links for that, they're in the show notes and I will see you guys next Tuesday at the same time for the next episode of High on Energy TV. Okay, have a great day guys. Thanks for listening.
HIGH on Energy TV Episode #2: 3 Causes of Fatigue that Your Doctor Has Never Heard of
Low energy is one of the most frustrating symptoms a person can deal with. It is also the most common complaint I get from clients. Everyone seems so damn tired these days!
If you are thinking, "I go to bed early. I take steps to reduce my stress and eat a healthy diet, what gives? How can I still be so exhausted?"
In this episode, I break down 3 incredibly common causes of fatigue that most practitioners will never tell you about.
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Hey, hey everyone and welcome to episode one of high on energy TV. I'm super, super excited to be here. It's been a while since I've done a live video and today of course we are talking about fatigue because that is what high on energy is all about. It's about giving you more energy and getting you out of that fatigue ditch as I'd like to say.
So, as I said, I'm super excited to be here and I want to talk to you about three super common causes of fatigue that I don't really see a lot of practitioners or doctors talking about. And you know, fatigue is really, really common. I would say there's this kind of low energy epidemic these days. It's the most common complaint that I get from clients. People are just always telling me that they're so freaking tired and definitely for me personally, this was something I really struggled with. This is what led me to learn about hair mineral analysis, which I think is one of the most powerful tools for addressing fatigue and getting the body more energy. When I first got into functional medicine, this is like five or six years ago, I had a lot of issues going on. I had a lot of hormonal issues. I had to get issues that was just so much stuff going on. And when I started doing the functional testing, it helped a lot. It helped with my God, it helped with my hormones. It helped with the insomnia that I had at the time, which was super chronic and super hard to deal with, but it didn't really do anything to address the fatigue, at least for me. Like I really couldn't get my fatigue sorted until I actually addressed mineral issues. And that's kind of what we're talking a lot about today because these are the things, minerals and metals, which is what we're going to dig a little bit deeper into in this episode. Are huge drivers of fatigue and it's a little bit more cutting edge. It's a little bit more unheard of. And I don't even see some of the biggest functional medicine doctors in this industry really talking about it. And I think this is a huge mistake, and I think this is the reason why a lot of people aren't getting better. A lot of people are spending a lot of money on functional medicine and functional testing, yet they're not quite getting the results. So I want to dive a little bit deeper into this today.
And you know, before we get started, before I go through these three causes, I first want to address like the basics because there are certain things a lot of people are going to be aware of these, especially if you're further along on your healing journey. There are certain things that you do need to have in place in order to have energy, right? And these are the obvious things, but I do want to address these. I want to make sure that you're thinking of these because if you don't have these things in place, um, it doesn't make sense to go deeper and get a little bit more complex as some of the things we talk about today if you don't even have the basics in place.
So let's talk about the basics. Obviously, if you're going to have energy, you need to learn to sleep properly, right? That's a big deal. Most of us know that, but you know, if you're staying up too late or you're not sleeping enough, you're not getting at least seven to eight hours of sleep a night if you're not going to bed before 11 than that is going to play into your energy levels. Stress is going to play into that. So it was exercise, so his diet and so as water consumption. So those are those basic things and you know, I know you're jumping on with me now if you just jumped on, you're like, okay, like what the heck? Like I thought you said this is stuff that no one is talking about. Like everyone is talking about that. I just want to throw that out there and you know, let you know that if you know, energy is your primary concern. If you're really tired, you always need to make sure that you are reducing stress. You're getting exercise, you are sleeping, you were eating a healthy diet and you're drinking enough water. Okay? Basic things, but let's jump into it.
What are the three super, super common causes of fatigue that not a lot of doctors or even natural pathic doctors are talking about? Okay. I have heard very few practitioners talk about these things, so that's why I'm so passionate about teaching them, but let's talk about one of the number one causes of chronic, unrelenting, debilitating fatigue and that is copper toxicity. And again, not a lot of people know about this. This is a really common issue, especially with women. In the woman that I'm working with. I'm probably like 80 to 90 percent of those women. We are addressing copper toxicity because that is how common it is. Cover toxicity was the primary driver of my own fatigue. Okay. And basically what this refers to is when the body starts retaining copper, for some reason, it gets an excessive amount of copper coming into the body or something starts to happen where the body starts to just increase it's copper retention. And then at some point the body gets so weak that it can no longer metabolize and move copper out of the body. And then that copper starts to accumulate and it basically sets off this huge chain reaction of events in the body that lead to a lot of different, a lot of different issues. But fatigue is a really, really big, big one of these causes of fatigue. So how does one get copper toxic? That is the big question. And there's actually a lot of things in our environment these days that can make someone copper toxic. Okay. One of the biggest causes in women is hormonal birth control use. So they've been on the pill, the patch, the ring, the needle the implant. I might be missing something. I think there's a cervical ring, I may have that, but I'm hormonal birth control does greatly increased the retention of copper. And the reason it does that is because of the synthetic estrogen that is in all hormonal birth control. So estrogen has an interesting relationship with copper and that it greatly increases the retention of copper. So you're on birth control pills for however many years, decades. Like, I mean, some women are on them for 20 years. You were just enhancing your copper retention. Okay. And when it comes to minerals, every mineral has an effect on every other mineral in the body, either directly or indirectly. Some minerals are a synergist, so they help increase the retention of another mineral or some are antagonists. They decrease the absorption of the other minerals so they have an enhancing or an antagonistic effect. And so copper, when you start to retain it excessively like this, it starts to drive all these other mineral issues because copper will deplete your potassium, it will raise calcium, it'll increase the burn rate of magnesium, it will raise sodium, it will deplete zinc, it'll deplete chromium, it will deplete selenium, it will deplete molybdenum. So it has this really interesting effect. So it really messes with all the other minerals in the body. And that's going to set off a whole bunch of events in the body because, you know, minerals are needed for every single process in the body.
And then the thing about this copper toxicity is the reason why it gets to a state where it's actually toxic is because the body can't metabolize it and utilize it. So the body is storing it and it's toxic, but the body can't utilize it. So it's also deficient. And copper is actually one of the primary minerals that is used in the energy cycle. So when your body is making ATP, which is cellular energy, ATP is basically the gas or the fuel that you put into your body that allows it to function optimally. So with copper deficiency, then you don't have good energy production. And one of the most common things I see with copper toxicity is this really profound fatigue. And you've probably, you may have heard me speak of the copper ditch. I see that Jamie's on with me. I know she has heard me talk about the copper ditch, but I call it the copper ditch because when I had copper toxicity, that is how I felt like I was in the ditch. I could see out of the ditch, but I didn't have the energy to get out of the ditch. It's like I drank all night long and it was so drunk I was in the ditch, but you actually, it's not fun like you actually can't get out of it and you're just watching the world go by around you. And so it causes this really profound fatigue. It's really, really hard to deal with. Nothing seems to shift it. And it's because don't have bioavailable copper to utilize in the energy cycle. So this is interesting. But the primary cause copper deficiency is actually copper toxicity and it's because of that bio available, bio unavailable copper.
So if you have been on birth control pills or some sort of hormonal birth control at some point in your life, even if it was 10 years ago, even if it was only for a few years, this could have set off the sequence of events to put you in a place where your body got really weak and can no longer detox copper. Because the thing of a copper is when you increase that retention. Initially it really stimulates adrenal function and so adrenals are actually responsible for metabolizing copper. So the adrenals are pumping, copper stimulating them, they're pumping, you moved that copper out and it's not a big as, as big of an issue, but over time is you consistently stimulate adrenals. They do start to slow down. The metabolism starts to slow down and once adrenal function is low, you no longer can move copper out of the body. And that's when it really starts to accumulate. So that's why like if you were on the birth control pill for say, like four years, 10 years ago, that four years of this greatly enhanced copper retention could have, could have burned out your adrenals, could have lowered that function to the point where 10 years later your body is still struggling to have good adrenal function. And therefore that copper that you accumulated 10 years ago when you were on the pill or whatever, is potentially still causing an issue today. Okay? So I always add that into my assessment of a client is like, okay, so these are everything I'm looking at on your hair mineral analysis. That might be pointing the finger towards copper, but you know, what is the history? Have you been on hormonal birth control? The same goes for the copper Iud, despite what you are being told about the copper iud. It does greatly enhance copper retention. You may not see it in the blood because again, if adrenal function is poor, then it's not going to be moved out and metabolized anyways. But copper toxicity is a big one. It needs to be addressed. A lot of women are struggling with it. And I mean cover doesn't only cause fatigue, it causes a lot of issues, other issues as well, including mental health issues, including anxiety, depression, constipation, crazy insomnia, the kind of kind of just makes you want to crawl out of your skin. It's a big deal and it can take time to detox. And the best way to address it is by running a hair mineral analysis, because if your adrenal function is slow, we can't force your body to detox copper, we actually need to raise adrenal function and we need to raise energetic potential in the body so that the body can actually even begin to detox that. So we can do that with hair mineral analysis testing. Okay. So that's number one.
Number two is another mineral and it's a deficiency. And this is iodine deficiency. And this is another extremely common deficiency that actually is a little bit controversial. There's a lot of practitioners out there that tell you to stay away from Ini that iodine can harm your thyroid. I don't really agree with these. I think, you know, when you're doing iodine therapy, you need to be careful. You need to do the cofactors, you need to do it properly. And if you don't do proper do it appropriately, there is a risk that you could cause some damage. But if you do it properly, it can be a very powerful, protocol. And the reason is because there are receptors for iodine in every single cell in the body. So your thyroid hormone, t3, t4, is actually made from iodine, iodine molecules. It's like three iodine molecules, which is t3 and t4 is four. So that is what your thyroid hormone is made of and your thyroid hormone is responsible for regulating the entire body's metabolism. So if you have low thyroid function that maybe it's being caused by iodine deficiency because your body actually doesn't have what it needs to produce thyroid hormone or to make thyroid hormone, then you're not going to have good energy, right? You're really gonna struggle to have good energy and you know, unless you are, you know, you're living in Asia and you eat a lot of sea vegetables and seafood or you're not living on the coast. A lot of people just don't get enough iodine naturally in their diet. And you know, when we look at say Asian cultures, like they're consuming quite a bit of iodine, like on average they might consume 12.5 milligrams of iodine a day. And what's interesting is the recommended daily allowance for iodine in the US is 150 micrograms. So the Japanese people and Asian people, I mean they're consuming almost a hundred times the recommended daily allowance for iodine in the US, yet they're still healthy and I would challenge even healthier than US people. So there is a lot of fear mongering around iodine and I don't think there's much merit to it.
I think iodine is very important. I think we can consume a ton of iodine in our diet and not be consuming toxic levels of iodine. And I think a lot of people will benefit from an iodine protocol, because a lot of people are iodine deficient, not only because they're not getting it from food, but because there's certain chemicals in our environment that actually compete with iodine on the receptors. So, if you are drinking tap water, if you have fluoride in your water, if you have chlorine or cloramine in your water, then you are probably iodine deficient. Or if you know, at any point in your life you were drinking this type of water, you were probably iodine deficient and it's because those are the halide metals. So chlorine, chloramine, fluoride, also bromine, which is not typically in water, but it's in mattresses, new furniture, new cars. It's sprayed on non organic strawberries. It's in bread as a, as a leven in bread, so a lot of us get exposed to bromine as well, but they actually compete with iodine on the receptors. They can actually just push the iodine right off of the receptor and then bind to that receptor. And if your iodine receptor cells are all, just kind of clogged with Halides with chlorine and fluoride, you can consume iodine and it will literally just bounce off the receptor because those receptors are blocked. Okay. And so this is a big problem because a lot of people are drinking tap water. They're drinking city municipal water that is treated with chlorine. You know, a lot of people are sleeping on mattresses that are off gassing bromine. They have new cars, they have new houses, they have new furniture that are off gassing these halide chemicals.
So that's a really big way that people get iodine deficient. It's not only because they have lack of consumption because they're not spending time in the ocean or eating veggies or animals from the sea, but also because on a regular basis, I mean we are consuming these chemicals on top of that. A lot of us are actually breathing them in and actually absorbing them through our skin in the form of shower water. So they have a really low vapor point. So when they get heated they actually vaporize and then they just, you know, get into your skin. You absorb them into your lungs. That's why these things can actually cause a lot of lung issues and asthma issues. So if you don't have good iodine, then you're going to struggle with fatigue. And I've actually found the iodine protocol to be one of the most beneficial protocols for fatigue. And this isn't a free ticket, a free pass to go and start taking iodine willy nilly. You don't want to be taking high doses of iodine without taking the proper steps and taking the proper cofactors and working with an iodine literate practitioner just because you could potentially mess things up, but you can take some steps to improve your iodine levels just through food, by consuming lots of sea vegetables, algae products. I love marine phytoplankton. Oceans Alive, marine phytoplankton. This is a really good source of iodine or you can take kelp capsules. I like nature's way because, I trust them to not be contaminated, but you can actually start consuming more iodine. And then one of the biggest things you can do is you can filter your tap and shower water to stop exposing yourself to those really nasty chemicals. Okay.
Edina says, 'Could coffee enemas help with detoxing copper? I've only done minimal mineral work, but my energy has improved so much. So I'm wondering if the animas could have helped detox the copper.'
Absolutely. So copper actually leaves the body via the bile. It does. You do sweat out a little bit. Um, but a lot of it is going through the liver and the bile which is secreted by the gallbladder and made in the liver is actually carrying that copper out and one of a big reason why people can also get very copper toxic is because they have oil poor bile function either from low digestive function, low stomach acid infections in the gallbladder. Also, just not having a gallbladder or just having sluggish function, then they may not be able to even move copper out. So maybe they're not consuming too much copper, maybe they don't have hypertension of copper, but they don't have enough bile. So yes, coffee enemas are very, very helpful for copper detox and just metal detox in general because of how they stimulate bile. And when the coffee enema causes you to dump bile, that bile is typically full of toxins and then you just excrete it out into the colon. So that may have helped. Absolutely. Okay.
So that's number two. That's iodine deficiency. And then finally I want to talk about heavy metal toxicity. So to this day I've worked with hundreds of clients. I've yet to see a, a case of profound fatigue that did not also include some sort of heavy metal toxicity. Okay. So, basically, we all get exposed to metals. They are in our environment unfortunately. Industry uses them, right? A lot of industry manufacturing, coal, you know, different mills. I mean a lot of these industries are putting a lot of metals into our environment and then on top of that, like they're in a lot of the products that we use everyday. No one is actually safe from metals like we, we do get exposed to them constantly and what metals do, so they can compete with minerals for binding sites so they can actually. Because like if you, like, if we kind of get nerdy about science here and we think about the periodic table, what minerals and metals are all on the periodic table and that means that they have similarities. So certain minerals actually resemble metals. They have similar properties, and so metals can come into the body and because they're heavier they can actually push these minerals off of binding sites, off of enzyme sites. And sort of displace them so they can actually cause your body to dump minerals. And then, excuse me, if you, are mineral deficient, which a lot of us are, your body is just way more likely to hold onto metals because metals can actually perform similar tasks as minerals. If your body is lacking the minerals.
So a really good example is calcium and lead, so calcium and lead have very similar properties. And if your body is very deficient in calcium, your body can actually use lead in place of calcium to make bone. And yes, lead makes brittle, shitty bone, but it's better than nothing and your body needs to use something so your body will actually utilize that lead. And the best way to get your body to detox that lead is actually to restore calcium levels. So when it comes to metal detox, yes, metals are a massive part of your fatigue. If you're struggling with fatigue, I guarantee you have some sort of metal issue, but this is not a free pass to go out and start doing aggressive, heavy metal detox or doing something like culation therapy which pulls metals through the kidneys aggressively and can actually make someone very sick.
So if you have a lot of fatigue and you suspect metals and I, I almost guarantee there's going to be metals there. Again, the best way to do this, like with iodine deficiency, like with copper, is to run a hair mineral analysis, but there are steps you can take to enhance metal detox. So one of my favorite strategies is near or not near any infrared sauna, infrared sauna, or just a sauna in general. Infrared is a little bit better because you can stay in it longer. It doesn't like heat your skin and make it hard to breathe. But honestly in the end, any sauna will do, sweating it out is a really great strategy to help with heavy metal detox. And then there's actually two products that you can use together. This is very gentle. This is very safe. Anyone can do this, you can use something called bio-sil, which is just silicone, which helps kind of stir up and mobilise metals but very gently, you want to get the drops and you're probably going to be a little bit confused because it's marketed for skin, nails and hair, but it actually is a heavy metal immobiliser. Start with one drop. If you can get to 10, that's great, but it can cause a lot of fatigue in the way that it stores up metals. So we'll just start with one, and you would always want to take a binder with that. And my favorite binder is econugenics practicel C. So this is modified citrus pectin. It will bind to metals but it will not bind to minerals. So most binders out there, bind everything and that's actually super problematic because they will displace your minerals as well. But the modified citrus pectin does not do this, said modified in a way so that it does not affect mineral balance. I only recommend the ECO neurogenics not because I have a relationship with this company, but because they have actually proven their process. And proven that their method with a lot of research, there are a lot of companies out there that say they have modified citrus pectin but they actually don't do it properly. And the result is it will also bind to minerals. So the practicel C is awesome. You do that with bio-sil and that with sauna therapy and that is a pretty awesome a light heavy metals detox that you can do to help boost your energy levels. Okay.
So let's just do a quick recap of the three super common causes of fatigue that your doctor or natural path has never told you about. Probably because they've never heard of it. Number one is copper toxicity. Number two is iodine deficiency and number three is heavy metal toxicity. So if you are struggling with fatigue that is not responding to sleep, stress reduction, exercise, healthy diet, water consumption, drinking enough water, then you really want to consider these three things, because there is a good chance that at least one, if not two, if not all three of these things is playing into your energy levels.
And Maryanne says, 'Any recommendations for those who have had their gallbladder removed?'
So yes, if you've had your gallbladder removed. What that means is your body makes bile, but it has no place to store it, concentrated and secrete it from. So that means that the bile kinda just drips from the liver, it can be a bit aggravating to the intestine, but what it means is that you need to take something to stimulate bile with every meal because you have no way to store it for later. So your body just makes bile and it dumps it. There's no storage facility. So I would take bitters. I love digestive bitters. If you're in Canada, I love Canadian bitters from St Francis. If you were in the states, I like quick silver scientific Dr Shades, bitters, number nine. These are really good bitters. So you'd want to take that with every meal. I would also probably add in some bile salts or some bile acid factors. I liked jarrow formulas, bile acid factors. I would take one to two of those with every meal with the bitters. And you may also want to look into something, a unikey makes the bile builder and that's actually a really great product, but you want to be making sure I wouldn't take any of those outside of meals. You'd always want to take them with meals because you know, if you're stimulating bile outside of your meal, your meal is just gonna get dripped into your intestines. He only want to be stimulating it when you're eating. And unfortunately without a gallbladder, you do need to take those things with every meal for the rest of your life. Or you're not going to absorb fat, you're not going to be able to detoxify, you're not going to be able to clear hormones. So you're going to end up with a whole host of issues, when you don't have a gallbladder.
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