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How Long it Takes to Heal From a Chronic Disease

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What does healing from fatigue, burnout and chronic health conditions really look like?

Do you just need one miracle supplement or one bomber health program and you're good?

Is it really possible to heal? Join me in today's episode as we get honest about what it takes to heal from a chronic disease.

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Kendra Perry: Hey, hey, everyone. Welcome to another awesome episode of HIGH on Energy TV. We're at episode 11 and we're going to be talking about a very awesome topic today. As always, I am bringing awesome content to you and I would love to know if you guys are on with me live right now. Say. "Hey," introduce yourself, let me know you're here because otherwise, all I can see is an eyeball with your face. I'm really, really excited to be with you guys here today and we're going to be talking about little bit about what a true healing journey looks like, what that means as you go through your healing process, is it possible to heal and really, what does that entire journey look like because it's going to be little bit different for everyone. Honestly, I think when it comes to healing, when we're actually taking a honest look at your health and you're actually looking to improve and get better, I think people think it looks a certain way, when really, it kind of looks the opposite way to that.
Guys, if you want to learn more about me, you can always find out more about me on my website kendraperry.net or if you want to work with me, you can join my HIGH on Energy membership, where I bring you the most cutting edge functional health strategies. I give you access to testing like Hair Mineral Analysis, the GI Map, Metals Testing, so that you can get the information you need to know about your body. You can make this whole healing process happen a little bit quicker because without the information, I really believe that you're just guessing. There is not a practitioner in the world who is talented enough to guess about what is going on in your body and actually hit the nail on the head.
I've been talking about this a lot lately because I work with a lot of people. I have a lot of clients, I work with a lot of people in my HIGH on Energy membership. I believe we have almost 80 people in the membership, plus I have, probably, 50 clients, maybe more. I work with a lot of people, so I see how a lot of healing journeys unfold and I've been doing this for awhile. I see the different fears that people have as they go through their healing journeys and I see a lot of the confusion that people have as they go through their healing journey. Confusion is a big one.
Healing is not easy. It is very challenging. If you have decided that you want to go the natural health route, you've decided that drugs and surgery are not an acceptable option for you, you have chosen a amazing path but you have also chosen a difficult path. You have chosen a path that is well worth it and that you will be happy that you chose, but the path to health is neither straightforward nor easy and it is an up and down journey.
I just want to say hi to Ellen and Margaret, welcome. I know we've got a few other of you guys on here and I know that in the corner of the left part of the screen, it says Christine Hansen. That is not me. That is actually my colleague. We share a Zoom account, so sometimes I forget to actually change my name. I am not Christine Hansen. I am Kendra Perry and welcome to HIGH on Energy TV.
Let's talk about healing and what that actually might look like and what I would say that it typically looks like for most people. What I will say is that everyone's experience is 100% different. I see people react one way and another way and another way and another way. It really depends on you and what you have going on. It depends on the different things that are affecting your body, it depends on your mindset, it depends on the people who you surround yourself with, it depends on your lifestyle, it depends on a lot of the things that might be affecting your body that you may or may not have any idea about. It is very different, but something that is really important to keep in mind.
If you have symptoms, typically, if you're on this livestream, if you're listening to the podcast, you probably have symptoms. Most people don't come to me without symptoms. I think I had one woman ever, come to me with virtually zero symptoms and she was like, "I just want to get on top of this. I just want to see what's going on in my body, so I can prevent illness." That was unicorn. That doesn't usually happen because most people don't take any interest in their health or aren't even aware that they should be concerned about their health until they have symptoms. Right? Until there's something wrong and they feel like there's something that they need to address.
This is the thing about the body, all the body wants for you, the whole body intelligence really just wants you to be healthy. Right? The body is always trying to achieve and maintain balance. Right? Always wanting to maintain balance. It is constantly working to keep you symptom free, because from a survival perspective, from an evolutionary perspective, if you have symptoms that were so bad that you couldn't get out of the cave, that would be a huge issue. Right? Your body wants you to perform, it wants you to be able to gather, to hunt, to survive, to run when necessary and if your symptoms are bogging you down, you wouldn't survive and humans wouldn't survive for very long, right?
There's a lot of things. There are a lot of external factors and inputs affecting our body. Really, the body is just trying to keep you balanced and trying to keep you symptome free and healthy. Really, your whole life, that is actually what your body is trying to do. It's trying to keep you symptom free and healthy. But it can only do that for so long. Right? There's only so long the body can be in state of chaos to have constant insults coming in, in the form of bad food, in the form of stress, in the form of electromagnetic frequencies, in the form of toxins, heavy metals, environmental chemicals, all these things mold all these things that can affect us. Right? If it's just a little bit coming in here or there, body can probably deal with it but if it's a constant chronic assault on the body, at some point, things are going to really tip in the wrong direction. Right?
By the time you have a symptom, whether that's fatigue, burn out, exhaustion, food allergies, stomachache, indigestion, acid reflux, constipation, diarrhea, brain fog, depression, acne, any symptom. What that means is that your body can no longer compensate, your body can no longer keep you balanced and that did not just happen today and that did not just happen yesterday. That means that whatever is driving that symptom or more likely the collection of things that are driving that issue have probably been going on for a very long time. They've been going on for months, maybe years, decades, right? Probably a really long time.
Unfortunately, the way that our current medical system is set up, we don't really give any attention in the current medical system to things in that in between. We basically, in modern medicine, conventional medicine, we have two states. We have person who's healthy and we have the person who has a disease and who is fucking sick. We don't really approximately attention to this whole spectrum of things that happen in between. I'll just use blood work as an example because that's something that we are currently getting annually. We go in for an annual check-up, maybe we get some blood work drawn.
Let's use thyroid hormones, so let's just use TSH, thyroid-stimulating hormones. That's a primary hormone they test, a doctor will test when they're looking at your thyroid. The reference range for thyroid-stimulating hormone or TSH is 0.5 to 5. That's the conventional range, typically, is going to be. Let's say you're getting exposed to a lot of chemicals and metals and EMF, all these things. You're not eating the best diet, you're eating foods that you're sensitive to, you're eating a lot of food chemicals, blah, blah, blah. For some reason, because of your unique biochemistry, this is affecting your thyroid. It's causing your thyroid to slow down.
But you're going in for your annual physical and in the beginning, when things are pretty balanced, your TSH is about 1, which is actually a pretty optimal TSH result. Next year, you go in and you're at 1.3. Next year, you go in and you're at 1.9. Basically, it's steadily increasing over the he years and the decades. Now, every time you go in, there's a good chance, you don't even get a copy of your blood work. You don't even see it and if you do see it, you don't even know what it means and it's not going to get flagged as high or even trending in the wrong direction. Every year, you're just normal, normal, normal, normal, normal, normal and over time, you're like, "Ah, I'm starting to feel a little bit fatigued. I'm a little bit tired. Oh, I'm a little bit cold. I need an extra blanket. Weird, my skin's really drying out. Weird, dry skin, okay. My bowel movements aren't as good. They're a little bit hard. I'm getting this occasional hard pellet. Weird, my hair's thinning a little bit. It's falling out."
You're going in there and your doctor's like, "You're normal. Your thyroid's normal. Your thyroid's normal." Then, one day you go in and your TSH is at 6 or 5.5 or 5.1 or whatever. It's over 5. Your doctor is like, "Well, you have hypothyroid." They're like, "Okay, you have hypothyroid." If you have a good doctor, they're going to be like, "Maybe we should check your thyroid antibodies." Check your thyroid antibodies, they're at 200, so they're elevated. Now, you have Hashimoto's. You've officially been diagnosed with Hashimoto's.
You're like, "Oh my God. I just got Hashimoto's overnight. I literally just got Hashimoto's. What the hell? I was healthy last year, when I came in. I was normal. My blood work was normal and now, I have Hashimoto's. I have this diagnosed medical condition and I have to take Synthroid."
This is the big issue because that issue didn't happen overnight. Maybe that was progressing for decades. That number was slowly going up and probably, your antibodies were slowly going up as well, showing more and more autoimmune activity on the thyroid, but those test results, our system isn't really set-up to detect that. "We think, well I was healthy yesterday, and now, I'm sick. Now, I have a disease. Everything was good and then, suddenly, things went wrong. I can't imagine what happened. Nothing has changed. I've been doing everything the same." But really, that condition has been developing for a decade. You just didn't have any idea about it because nobody was reading your lab work appropriately, nobody was looking at functional ranges, nobody was paying attention when you were like, "I'm tired. My hair's thinning. My skin's getting dry," and now, you have a health condition.
Now, you're like, "Okay, I don't want to take Synthroid. I want to do this the natural way." You get going on some program, maybe you clean up your diet, you find a good program and you're wondering after three months, why isn't this working. Why is this taking so long. My whole point is ... I do have a point. I do have a point. My point is, is our health does not go side ways, overnight, in a few days or even in a few months. Typically, it's been developing over probably, our entire lives of toxicity, of exposure in the last 15 years. EMF, stress, all these things. Bad diet food additives, toxic people, all these things and it's been going out of whack for a long time, but we just didn't know because we weren't paying attention.
If it takes 10 years for you to develop something like Hashimoto's, how long do you think it's actually going to take to fix that? It's going to take time and I can't put a number on that. I can't tell you it's going to take six months, it's going to take a year, it's going to take five years. I can't tell you because everyone's different and there's so many things that go into a healing program and there's so many things you actually need to heal. But if you want to actually fix a problem and you want to get to the root cause and you want to reverse something that has become a chronic health problem, this is a long term approach. This is a long-term journey. This is not going to be a quick fix. Unfortunately, there's no quick fix. Anything in alternative health is not a quick fix.
I just want to say hi to Tierney. I hope I didn't just butcher your name, but hello. Welcome. I'm so glad you're here and I know there's eight of you on and a few of you are probably shy, so say, "Hey," or give me a little heart, give me a like. Let me know you're here. Let me know if what I'm saying is resonating with you. Let me know if you do have a chronic health condition that you're trying to reverse the natural way. I would love to know where you're at.
This is the thing, right? When we decide to undertake a natural healing protocol or program or journey or whatever, the first thing we need to accept is that this is going to take time. It's probably going to take longer than six months. Honestly, it may even take a year or even longer. It may take several years or it may be an ongoing life thing. I'm not trying to discourage you but this is the truth. These things have been developing our whole life and a lot of us with chronic health issues ... Oh good, I got Tierney's name right. Awesome. Welcome, I haven't seen you on here before and, so I just want to hello and so glad you're here. I voice cracked like a teenager there.
Yeah. I think, the first thing we need to understand is that it is going to take time. A lot of people want to know, "Well, I just need to do that and I'm good, right? Then, I'm good." No, you're not good. You're never going to be good and what I mean by that is the second thing we have to accept ... The first thing we need to accept is healing takes time. The second thing we have to accept is that we live in an incredibly toxic question world, incredibly toxic. We have never, in human history have ever been exposed to so many heavy metals and chemicals. 84,000 chemicals in our environment. Heavy metals are pretty much all around us. They're in everything.
I'm drinking out of a ceramic mug that I shouldn't be drinking out of because the ceramic glaze probably has lead, uranium. I'm slowly phasing these out but this is what I knew. This is what I know. We have to accept that we don't live in a world that is conducive to health. We have a lot of stressors in our lives. We have to wear a lot hats, especially us women. We need to be mothers, we need to be bosses, we need to be employees, we need to be spouses, we need to be best friends. We're wearing a lot of hats, right? We have a lot of stress. Then, we have the metals and chemicals.
Recently, in the past 10 to 15 years, we're dealing with EMF exposure. We're dealing with WiFi, we're dealing with 5G, we're dealing with cellphone towers, we're dealing with electricity, we're dealing with a lot of things that are very new and are disrupting our energy fields. I'm actually digging deep into EMF, right now, guys. That's definitely going to be a future topic. We have all those things going on. Right?
All those things are working against us. Now, this is not to discourage you. This is not to say there's things you can do to improve these things or protect yourself from these things, but because of these things, health is never going to be a thing. If you want to be healthy and you want to recover and you want to live a life where you're thriving and not just surviving, you are going to have to figure out what are the things that you need to do to keep yourself healthy.
When we first embark on a healing journey, we likely have to be pretty strict, probably going to have to run a bunch of testing. We're probably going to have to take a bunch of supplements. We're going to have to be super on top of it. But as things improve and as we heal over time, we're probably not going to have to be as more rigid. We're going to be able to tolerate more foods. We're going to be able to make a little bit more mistake in our diet. We're going to take less supplements. But still, what we're going to have to figure out is what do I need to maintain my health and keep myself healthy.
There's always going to be something. Using myself as an example, I have to be really on top of my meditation and self-care. Very type America. Maybe you've noticed that. I take on a lot. I'm an over achiever. I'm ambitious. I have a million projects on the go at all times. I work hard. I really have to be on top of grounding, on top of spending time outside, getting out in the sun, meditation and doing things to help me relax because otherwise, I just get anxious, I get overstimulated and things go sideways. I have to be very on top of my sleep. I am not someone who can stay up past 10:30 two or three nights in a row. That will seriously affect my health. That will push me back to feeling fatigue, feeling burnt out, feeling terrible.
I have a lot more room in my diet but I can't eat gluten. That's not something I can eat, so I have to consciously avoid gluten. There's all these different things. I also have to be very on top of my magnesium and calcium intake because I have a very fast metabolism and I burn these things really quickly. Those are the supplements that I need to focus on. I am 10 years into my health journey and I have made vast improvements. I feel significantly better, but if I don't stay on top of things, I can easily fall back into fatigue, into not feeling good, into insomnia. That's what I'm trying to say.
Healing is a journey. It's not like you just follow that three months or six month program, or you're good where you just run one round of testing and you're good. This is an ongoing journey. We need to always stay on top of things. I will test myself regularly. I'm always running my Hair Mineral Analysis Test, I'm running my GI Map, I'm running my Metals. I'm seeing what I'm getting exposed to. I'm seeing if I picked up an infection. I'm seeing if my minerals are getting further out of whack because if I don't stay on top of those things, it's very easy for me to fall back. The truth is if you have developed a chronic health condition, if you have chronic fatigue, if you've gotten to the point of exhaustion, burn out, if you have Hashimoto's or some diagnosed health condition, you've gotten to that point, which means you can always get back there. That is why you have to stay on top of things.
The next thing I want to talk about is the sort of process of healing. I think a lot of people think, "Okay, I just need to clean up my diet. Maybe I need to just exercise. I need to hop on a sauna and then, I'm just going to feel like this. I feel like crap. I'm at a four out of 10 for energy and now, I'm going to be at a 4.5 and then, I'm going to be at a 5.5 and a 6 and a 6.5 and a 7 and then one day, I'm going to be on a 10. It's just this sort of linear progression. You need to get that out of your head because it doesn't actually exist. It looks like this and sometimes, it looks like this. If you're on the podcast, first one was me making a wave. If you put your hand outside the window when you are moving really fast I a car and you do that wave motion. That's what I was doing. Then, I was making a scribble. It's not straightforward.
The truth is, as we go through this healing process, there's going to be a lot of ups and downs. This is because typically, in order for your body to get to a higher state of health, it has to feel crappy temporarily. When you improve your health, when you start doing better things for your body, things that actually support you, support your body's function, what it wants to do is it's like, "Great. I feel better, I have more energy, I'm going to do some house cleaning." That might mean it decides to move out a chemical or a toxin that you might have been storing in your body for years, for decades or something you were recently exposed to. When your body decides to detox something, what happens is that, that toxin or that chemical is going to temporarily end up in your blood stream or it's going to have to get pushed to your kidneys, your liver. It's going to have to get pushed out. It's going to be immobilized. That means that as you're detoxing, you typically don't feel great.
This is the biggest thing that turns people off their healing program and causes them to actually give up and think that it's not working or think that they're failing. It's a tough thing to deal with. I get it. I go through it too. I'll feel really good for awhile and then, I spend a few weeks kind of feeling crappy because my body decided to detox lead or get rid of whatever it was that it was dealing with. As a result, I feel more fatigued or I don't sleep as well. It's really easy in that moment to be like, "What I'm doing isn't working. I'm taking steps back. I'm back at the beginning. I'm back to where I started. I must be doing something wrong." Or the most common thing I hear is nothing has changed. I'm not doing anything different."
First of all, everything is always changing. Nothing is static in the body. Regardless of what you're doing, if you're always doing the same thing, what you're getting exposed to, the energy that is coming into your energy field is always changing. Right? That doesn't even make sense. When you're like, "Well, nothing has changed." Everything's changing. Everything is always changing. Our body is constantly dealing with inputs or outputs. But the other thing is you don't want to look at it as things are getting worse. I'm doing the wrong things. Usually, what it means is that you just need to stay the course.
Now, this may be really hard to determine if you're doing things on your own and this is why I really do recommend you work with someone. In my HIGH on Energy membership, we are always running testing, we a re retesting, we are re-looking at things, so that we can tell if someone's actually progressing, which helps because sometimes, if you're doing this on your own, you feel crappy for a couple of months. You're like, "I don't know if this is actually helping or I'm feeling worse. I don't actually know." But if you're doing testing, if you're tracking it with testing and looking at the numbers and tracking things, then it's a lot easier to know if what you're doing is the right thing and if you actually just need to stay the course.
It's not a straightforward journey and it's up and down and you can get to a point with your health where you're like I feel amazing. This is the best I've ever felt. But you could still go back to feeling crappy temporarily because the better you feel, the better your body is going to detox and the better, the more it's going to be immobilizing this toxins into your bloodstream to move them out, which means that you feel crappy.
That is what I'm trying to say. The first thing we need to realize is that our health does not get bad overnight. We don't develop chronic health issues overnight. They develop over months, years and likely, decades, possibly even our whole lives, which means that there isn't a quick fix. These things are going to take time.
Number two, what we need to realize and accept that we live in a very toxic world. Pretty much everything is working against us. Health can never take a back burner. It's always something that we're going to have to stay on top off. Obviously, as we get healthier, there's a bit more room for error, but you probably are still going to always have to take a certain supplement or practice self-care or focus on meditation, focus on taking time for yourself, exercising, that sort of thing, but we're always going to have to be consciously aware of the things that we're doing to keep ourselves healthy.
Then, number three, health is not a linear progression. Healing is not a linear progression. It's a wave. It's fucked up scribble. There's a lot of ups and downs and sometimes you feel very alone, sometimes you feel very frustrated, but if you are working with a good practitioner, someone who can guide you through this, someone who is using functional testing to guide the process, you just need to stay the course and make adjustments as you go.
I have to hop off now. I'm headed to the gym. I'm headed to Maverick Fitness for my weekly gym session with my personal trainer. I got to hop off now, but I hope that was helpful, guys. I do these Facebook lives every single Tuesday at 4:15 PM Pacific and then, this goes out as a podcast every Thursday as the HIGH on Energy podcast. Subscribe to the podcast if you want me to join you in your car or on your walk or if you guys want to join me live and ask me questions on air, I love that. I love connecting with you. Just join me every Tuesday and the last Tuesday of every month, that's next Tuesday, I do a live Q&A, so if you guys have questions, you can ask them on this thread, you can email them to support@kendraperry.net or you can Facebook message my Facebook page and then, I will answer your questions on air or you can hop on and ask me live.
Okay guys, I hope you have a great time. Hey, Cody's on. Cody, my personal trainer is actually on right now. He's like, "Yes," I'm giving a shout to Maverick Fitness. If you're in the Kootenays, definitely check out his gym. It is the gym for people who hate gyms, so check it out. Awesome guys. Thanks so much for joining me today and I will see you guys in the next episode of HIGH on Energy.

Mastering your Money Mindset with Amy Dugger

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https://amberdugger.com/ - Profitability Calculator

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I Will Teach You to be Rich - Ramit Sethi

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Acuity Scheduling

Tapping Into Wealth - Margaret Lynch

Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself - Joe Dispenza

About Amber Dugger:

Amber Dugger is the founder of Budget Alchemy, a system developed for health coaches to end the stress and anxiety around numbers. It is a holistic system combining personal finance and business cash flow strategies using Profit First and YNAB (You Need a Budget). She has helped dozens of coaches implement this system and helped hundreds more calculate revenue goals that actually make sense! She is a certified health coach from IIN and worked in corporate finance for 15 years before venturing out on her own in 2015 and thrives on being location independent. She loves traveling, wine, bicycles, knitting and a good cup of tea (in England) and coffee (in Italy).


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Christine H.: Hey everyone, and welcome to this episode of the 360 Health Biz podcast. And today, its me! Your host, Christine Hansen and the adorable, wonderfully beautiful partner of mine Kendra Perry! At 6:00 AM and still she looks beautiful.

Kendra Perry: Oh my god, it's the zoom filter that's making me look good right now.

Christine H.: And, we also have a very special guest today who saved my life Amber Dugger. So I'm really excited because we're going to talk hardcore money today. It's a topic that makes us shiver, shake in our boots, but it is actually something that we need to get a grip on. Now before we do that, if you love the topic, if you think we're cute and funny and intelligent and smart and everything, then obviously please leave us a review on Itunes. A five star review would be amazing. And as a thank you, you can head over to our website 360healthbizpodcast.com and you can get a free gift which is a complete tool kit full of [stuff] that we love to use, online tools, you name it, everything is in there with an explanation and sometimes coupon codes. So go and check it out, it's entirely free.
Now, to introduce you to Amber. So Amber is the founder of Budget Alchemy a system developed for health coaches to end the stress and anxiety around numbers. Amen. And I will tell you a story about that. It is a [holistic] system combining personal finance and business cash flow strategies using profit first and YNAB which stands for You Need a Budget. She has helped dozens of coaches, including myself, implement this system and helped hundreds more calculate revenue goals, that actually make sense. She's a certified health coach from IIN and worked for corporate finance for 15 years before venturing out on her own in 2015, and she thrives on being location independent. She loves traveling, wine, I like that, bicycles, mixing and a good cup of tea in England and coffee in Italy. I love that.

Kendra Perry: Great bio!

Christine H.: Absolutely it is [inaudible]. Amber and I met because I hired her. Basically I saw her because a friend of mine, [Meryl] was talking about how she was actually getting a grip of her money, was able to calculate, predict, how much money she needed and then things really started to happen much easier. It was much easier to plan, to manifest, whatever you want to call it. And at the time, I think I felt like a lot of us do, I was in my business, I knew that I had money in the bank account but I never really knew how much. I refused to look at my bank statements, I just ignored looking into my bank account unless I needed to wire money and had to take a look at it. And it was just a scary thing, right. Especially at the beginning of your business when things are not as rosy, and when it's tough. Sometimes, we can be very good at ignoring our numbers.
So I reached out to Amber because I knew we have to get a grip on this right, because also our personal finances, everything was okay, we had savings. But I remember that my husband at that time he had paid our bills first and our mortgage was supposed to go out afterwards, and usually it was the other way around, mortgage would always go out and we would pay the bills with whatever was left over. So this time, he had already paid the bills, which meant the bank couldn't take out all of our mortgage because we didn't have enough money in that bank account and that freaked me out. I was like, “There's no way, the mortgage is the holy thing. There's no way that we cannot pay the mortgage.” And we could, but we had to dip into savings. So that was the point where I was like I need to become an adult and actually know how much money do I need to make. How can I prepare myself for tax seasons? How can I not stress about this thing?
And so I reached out to Amber and she completely changed my world. So Amber tell us a little bit about... I think I'm a typical story of people that you work with, I imagine, but tell me, the people who are listening, a little bit about how people start off with you and what you do in order for us to get to where you actually have a plan and feel comfortable with money, kind of thing

Amber Dugger: Sure, well first of all I wanna just thank you both for having me on. This is just such an honor to be here. I'm really excited to talk with your listeners and learn more about what it is that they may be getting stuck with as well.
This is such a common topic and it's a topic that hasn't been spoken about been spoken about for a very long time. We've been very silent about our personal anxieties, struggles, shame, guilt around money and that time has come to an end. It is time for us to start speaking openly about this so that we can move past it. We have the most amazing talents and abilities. We are motivated and we are ready to just take on the world, right. We have these awesome businesses. We can make great money and now its time to figure out exactly how to start keeping some of it.
Budget Alchemy was the original name; it's now Profit For Keeps. So anyone that's looking for it, just make sure to look for Profit For Keeps. I named it that for a reason and that is because we wanna be able to actually see some evidence of the success in our business and we also then wanna move to something called Profit For Joy.
Money is truly just a resource and we have all of these thoughts about it being very complicated and there's a reason for that. It's not because in the last 40 years we became completely illiterate about money. It's the environment that has changed. So in the past we would have cash. Everyone had cash and it was very easy to determine if we could afford something, because if we didn't have enough cash, we wouldn't pay for it right? [crosstalk] And of course in some ways it allowed us to not get into debt, but at the same time, it also allowed us to know exactly where we were all the time with money. And there's a psychological exchange when you hand over money and then you receive something back, you have exchanged value in tangible terms. It makes sense right? But if you hand over a card, and then you buy the thing, and then they give you back your card and the thing, you've now just rewarded yourself.

Kendra Perry: Yeah

Amber Dugger: Right, because it's a little switch

Kendra Perry: Its true.

Amber Dugger: And since we've started using electronic payments, consumer debt has skyrocketed and its because we don't see it. Paying 25$ on card seems very different than paying 25$ in cash.

Kendra Perry: Yes.

Amber Dugger: And the creditors know this, they use psychology. Their main goal is to rack up as much balances as possible, so they can then get the interest. So you have this whole industry against the consumer, wanting to make money off of them.
At the same time we now have this new way of paying for things, like our phone, where we just wave a magic wand, or use our watch and wave that right. So now we're not even giving anything away and we're still receiving stuff.
So for any of you listening that you're feeling like, "Oh I'm so guilt... I feel so much shame around the debt that I carry." I want you to first remind yourself that you're in an environment where it is absolutely normal to have debt, and an industry that wants and encourages it.
So that's the first thing, the second thing is it's really important to refrain the debt that you currently have; if you have any. And the reason for that is, it has gotten you to this exact point right now. So to change the attitude around it and look at it with gratitude and say, "This has gotten me my education, this has gotten me exactly where I am right now and it has leveraged me to allow myself to be here and I'm not ready to take the next step forward to create my own leverage for myself." And there's just some small tweaks to make that happen and everyone, I truly believe everyone is good with money they just haven't found a system, possibly, that helps them feel empowered with the numbers. So I'm all about just making numbers super approachable simple, and tied directly to what it is that really brings you and those that love joy.

Kendra Perry: Oh wow, I love that. And it's so true, I never even thought of that exchange of energy because I'm pretty bad for buying everything on Amazon prime. I'm just like, “Ooh that, that, I need that, I need this, I need this!” And then I look at my credit and I'm like what the hell did I buy this month? There's Amazon prime 30 times. [crosstalk]

Christine H.: You just see Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. What was it [crosstalk] I don't even remember.

Kendra Perry: I like blacked out and now I have hundreds of different types of paperclips.

Amber Dugger: The same goes for Target. For a lot of people Target can be that black hole of just amazing stuff, but like what did I buy at Target that's 300$.
Yeah, so to answer your question about where people start, I think it's important regardless of where you are in business. If you're making your first thousand a month or your making 100 thousand a month. Its important to take a step back and first ask yourself, “Why did I go into business for myself? What is it that I truly wanna do with the money that comes into my business?” Assume you're paying your bills, assume that you have no debt, assume that you have savings. These are all possible things. But once you get to that point, what is it that you want to accomplish, what is it that you want to experience, what is it that you want to change, to impact? These core things can happen, they can be realized, and the only way it will happen is to get really clear on that.
A lot of times when I speak to people for the first time, they're so focused on the idea that it's not actually possible to move forward, that it's not possible to get out of debt. That's a very real, normal feeling. So if you're feeling those things don't think that you're the only one, there are so many people out there feeling that and silently suffering. I want you to know that you're not alone and the best way to move forward out of that is to recognize, first of all that yes, I can do this and secondly there has to be a bigger reason why. Otherwise, we will stay in this cycle because it's comfortable. It may not be fun, but it's comfortable.
So that's the first thing, second thing is really gaining awareness about your situation. Are you making enough money to cover your bills? Are you making enough money to be profitable? And I think that's the single most important thing, besides the why, because you can have all these dreams, but if you don't have a business that's generating a profit, it will not get you there. The profit carries you forward to allow you to realize those things.
So we calculate a revenue goal, we get profit first percentages which are really simply just percentages of your money going to specific things. So its certain amount going directly to profit, so its like a savings account. A certain amount going to your personal pay so that you can pay the bills that you wanna pay for your lifestyle, your lifestyle's gonna be different from the next entrepreneur and the next coach, and that's fine. Some of us live in New York City, some of us live in Kansas City. The cost of living is gonna be different, therefore your personal needs are gonna be different. So having a generic revenue goal is a detriment to everyone because it doesn't make any sense. It used to drive me crazy when I would see those Facebook adds, “Make 5K as a health coach!” That may work for someone but I know for sure, for me, when I was starting out as a health coach, I needed to make 8K to meet my goals. So it just always frustrated me thinking, “Well, I would always be behind or be going into debt making 5K a month.” Whereas someone who needs 3K will be like, “Woo, 5K's amazing!”

Christine H.: That was brutal, like brutal, brutal, to actually look at how much we needed to make even as a family, right, at the time. Even with my husbands salary and mine, actually looking at our subscriptions, our insurances, our monthly bills, our yearly bills, which we tend to forget, and then I'm like oops, okay savings. That was brutal. That was super hard for me, because I was not making enough money at the time to pay fat taxes, plus living expenses and paying myself was just not in the cards, right [inaudible]. So, knowing that, I think a lot of people have no clue, like they literally don't know. I didn't know how much money I needed to set aside each month to actually just cover my basic expenses without any luxury items or anything on top of that, or any of my business expenses. I think that's the exercise I would ask that I would ask everyone to start doing. Look in that folder where you have your annual bills and when you do the calculation, its very enlightening in a positive way. I don't know if I found it enlightening, I found it [crosstalk]

Kendra Perry: Shocking.

Amber Dugger: That's probably the most emotional point and it also takes the most courage. I'm so inspired by everyone that sits in front of me ready to do that work, because it is a point in time where you've decided enough is enough, I'm ready to get clarity and I'm ready to have a tangible goal to hit. The reason I believe so many have not done this in the past is no one has ever really talked about how to do it before. Going through health coaching school, I was shocked. People were talking about how much percentage of your income you should put to investing and they aren't even talking about how much money you should be making as a health coach and suggesting that we start of at like 200$ a client per month. And I was doing the calculations, I was like, I'm gonna need like 55 clients.
So I encourage all of you to go to my website and download a free calculator. Its called the revenue profitability calculator. I offer that as gift to everyone, because it is the single most important thing and if you do that you now have a tangible goal. You don't need a lot of information, you just need to know roughly how much you want to pay yourself each month and how much your monthly expenses are. That's really it. You put those two things in and you get a number.
There's more to it after that, but getting that number is powerful, because now you can look at seeing, okay, "if I need to make 12000$ a month to live this ideal life that I've put together here, how many spaces do I have available for clients? How much am I currently charging?" If I have 10 spaces and I need 12000$, okay well that's 1200 a month on average I need to charge my clients. How can I create a package that would allow for that. Or what other revenue strings can go into that so then I need 6000$. There's so many different ways you can start playing. But it's a simple thing.
It's like taking a piece of paper and saying okay, 12000 at the top. Alright how are different ways that I can make this happen and it's a really exciting thing because now you have a real thing to go after and its not like shooting in the dark. Which is amazing that so many of us can continue to run a business without having that number, so just imagine once you do. Its like this, okay watch out world, I'm driven now, I'm getting this number now.

Kendra Perry: Yeah, that's awesome and where does all this fear around money stem from? Because I remember when I... I had a look at my finances, a few years ago and I read that book called, I think its called I Can Make You Rich, I can't remember the authors name, but it's a pretty popular book.

Amber Dugger: Ramit Sethi

Kendra Perry: Yeah Ramit Sethi. I looked in my finances and then I remember crying to my boyfriend in the [inaudible] meeting, like “I'm unsuccessful! I don't know what I'm doing! Oh my god! What happening.” We had just started dating so he was like oh god.
I had this fear of even looking at my bank account and where do you think that stems from?

Amber Dugger: Well that's a great question. I think it can really depend from person to person. Well first of all, I just want to share that money is 99% behavioral and emotional [crosstalk]. So there can be 1001 reasons why it might instill fear, but I would believe, one of the most common ones that I see, is that we simply fear what we don't understand.
We may not admit that out loud, but I know that for my own situation thinking about when I first started out as a health coach, I was scared of marketing. I just didn't understand it, I don't really know how to do it, I didn't really understand the ideal client. So I was always scared to market myself. With money a lot of are expected, somehow, out of thin air to understand money.
This is a generational problem I would say, because back in the 30's and 40's we had the Great Depression, [inaudible] so then the way to manage money was just don't spend it ever. So that generation had money because they simply lived a really simple life with really not enjoying very much. Even to the point, I remember my grand-mother telling me... she gave me a silver platter when I graduated college and she said, “this is the silver platter that we used and just a trick, when you are starting out and you don't have a lot of money, buy a really small roast but then fill it with potatoes and root vegetables to make it look like its bigger.” And this was a reality for that generation.
So we have that. Then we go into more of the baby boomer phase where this is so much opportunity and people are making a really great living with pension. So then they've learned from their parents to not spend a lot of money and to just work and be able to have that pension and that retirement.
Now were getting to a point where things are so different from what our parents, our grand-parents experiences and there's so many different types of loans I didn't even know existed until I started working with the clients that I work with now. There are loans on every possible way that you could bring in money. There's loans on your pay pass settlements, there's loans on your stripes settlements, there's loans on your house, your car. You can pretty much get a loan on anything. This is causing a problem where people tend to ... if they get into this cycle, more than half of their expenses are now being paid on interest. So you can get to a point where just almost all of your payments are going to debt repayments. This is a timing thing now, because if we can live below our needs and at the same time pay down our debt, then we're creating our own loans to ourselves. Because if we have our own savings than we can borrow from ourselves without paying any money. So these loans are just costing us so much money.
But, to get back to your question about where it stems from, I think it can be the fear of the unknown, it can also be experiences that we also had as children. So there are people who actually stress more about money and have a lot of savings because they saw their parents never have any money. And then you have some people that are scared that it will be taken away or be used as power against them. That has happened with different family structures and things like that. So its a really good thing and a really form of self-care to explore this with yourself and see where does this stem from. I know that Christine knows that I just love this book, I talk about it all the time, I always have it here.

Christine H.: I recommend it to everyone. It changed my life. I'm not kidding you. That's when I went from charging 800$ to 10000$. That book. That was it.

Kendra Perry: Who writes it? Tapping Into Wealth.

Christine H.: Tapping Into Wealth by Margaret M. Lynch. It uses EFT.-

Kendra Perry: I'm going on Amazon prime right now to buy it.

Amber Dugger: Don't wait, just kidding. But what's so amazing about this book is every time I read it I learn something new about my relationship with money. Because we never get over money blocks, we always will have different ... because we continue to have experiences. So those experiences will allow us to continue to add to our relationship but I find that as I continue to explore my own relationship with money, it becomes less and less part. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing. Money is simply a resource to allow me to do the things that I wanna do. Its meant to flow. it's not meant to just stay there and not doing anything right. I mean if all hung out in a room and never left and we had 3 million dollars sitting there, it would be a pretty boring life, if we couldn't do anything with it. We'd be like, okay maybe we need to burn this so we can have some meat. So it was really just a reflection or representation of the ability to then exchange that value for something else. So yeah
And, money, you want to have enough so that its aging to about maybe 100 days, but then after that you want it to move in and out so that it can flow. Water gets toxic and [murky] if it just stays in one place. But if water's moving, its so beautiful, and pristine and fresh. And it's the same thing with money. If that is something that resonates with you, I highly recommend, I'm a book nerd, its called The Soul of Money by Lynne Twist. She describes this beautifully. I've learned so much from her on really understanding what money really is.

Christine H.: I love that. I also have to say, the good thing is that your money blocks, once you know them, they're not gone as you said, but you can detect them, right. So, I think for me, the main money block was, like, I was always bad at math. So for me money equals math. [inaudible] it's the same thing, hence I'm bad at it. I never had to worry about money in my life, in a way. So I never really bothered to deal with it.
so the other thing is that, you know, once I worked with you Amber, I kind of understood that it's not the easiest thing for me. I think other people just get things much quicker and but its doable and it gives me a lot of power. The other thing is that I gave emotions to money. Even now, you know when I had savings that came from my family, it was bad money for me. I didn't want to use it because it wasn't the money that I actually made in my business. And I had to understand that actually no it's not good or it's bad, it's a resource that I have for a reason. I just went to do some major life changes and needed my savings to start fresh and I've had really bad in the beginning because it was from my business, but I had to use it from my savings. But in the end, who cares, you know. It is allowing me to start something new and since then, my business has taken off so much more than ever before.
So I think I still know when I sabotage myself and I actually reached out to Amber recently because I was like, "okay I'm starting to do it again." But at least I know. I know and I'm like, “okay, this weekend, its big girl panties on and let's sit down and do the money thing." Because once you set it up, its so easy. It's so so easy, you know. Its just taking that step and doing it, I think is the biggest one. Whether you think you're bad with money, like the cliché sentence, or whether you think its super scary to look at that bank account, I think its always worth it and I really really, especially in the health coach business, where people want to help other people, you cannot do that, if you cannot pay your bills. Its just not doable. You are also running a business. Money and business is just a thing that goes together.

Amber Dugger: As your speaking, its coming to mind for me, I'm just envisioning someone listening to this for the first time and I'm guessing that there might be a question of, "Yes, this all sound amazing, and yes I really wanna do this but how do I do this? What do I do first?" And so would you guys like me to just explain a little more about what I think would be the three most important things to do.

Christine H.: Yes, please do.

Amber Dugger: So if you're listening to this and you're feeling a little overwhelmed or maybe you're feeling inspired or maybe a little bit of both, the first thing that I would suggest that you do is just take a moment and close your eyes and just take a deep breathe. And thank yourself for having these feelings and for listening to this and wanting to take action. This is a beautiful form of self-care and as you promote that to your clients as health coaches it's also important, as you know, to do this for yourself.
And the next thing I want you to just think about is what does your ideal life look like? What are the feelings that you want to feel in this ideal life? And just sit with that for a couple of minutes and really feel the things around you in that ideal life and the people and the images and the smells. This is something that you can do every morning and visualizing what it is that you are wanting to achieve. And it will also help you gain clarity over what it is that you truly want to do with the resources that come into your business.
so there are two things that I see most people, especially when their starting out as a health coach, that's blocking themselves from money. If you do not have a very easy way for people to pay you, I want you to do that first, and that can be as easy as getting a stripe account and using Acuity Scheduling. That's my favorite one, but I'm sure you guys have your own favorite ones. The second thing that I would suggest is that you get a way for to book in. If there's not a place or space for people to book in, then you won't be able to have the calls, and you won't be able to ask for the money. So those are the two most common things I see block, and don't make it really complicated, make it an easy way for them to pay.
The second thing is if you've done that or you've got, "yep, check, check". The second thing is, sit down and do one of two things. If you wanna do it very simply, just write down a number that you wanna pay yourself every month. Very simple. Second thing, just quickly tally up your business expenses that you currently have and write that number down. Then go and get that revenue calculator and put those two things in, and once you get your number put it on a post-it note and stick it up next to your desk and then maybe put one in your wallet, put one on your bathroom mirror, put one, if you can, put it all around your house. This is definitely something that the Tapping Into Wealth girl talked about and I did it. Every time I change this number, I hit that number. So its a very powerful thing. Just putting it out into the universe.
If you decide that you wanna go a little bit deeper than just writing down the numbers, which is totally fine if that's what you do. If you wanna have another step, than go to your bank account and print off your last statement, and just take a highlighter and mark anything that you feel like you weren't using. Because there's a difference between spending on luxury and over consumption. Over consumption could be-

Christine H.: Kendra!

Kendra Perry: I think I over consume! Oh my god! I think I spend too much money on random shit! Oh my gosh

Christine H.: [crosstalk]

Kendra Perry: This is hitting my soul right now.

Amber Dugger: Heres where you can determine if it is or not.

Kendra Perry: Okay.

Amber Dugger: This hand cream that I don't really use, it was a gift actually, but if I had purchased this and it sat here never used. I never used it because I didn't like the ingredients in it, this would be over consumption. Because I bought it but don't use it, don't care about it, don't prioritize it. Now if I have a 30$ german notebook that has fancy paper in it, and it feels amazing and it works really well with my 100$ fountain pen. But if I use it and it brings me joy and I hear the scratch of the golden nib onto this beautiful linen paper, and it gives me that spark, that gratitude, that feeling of heart coherence, then it's absolutely not over consumption, it's luxury. Over consumption can be a three dollar tube of cream and 130$ worth of stationary can be luxury.
So just ask yourself before you purchase your next item, will I prioritize the use of this item, will I enjoy this item, is this something that I will want to have in my life, do I have the space for it? If any of those are no, ask yourself if you really need it. Because there's no reason spending money on something you don't care about, but it is important to spend on the things that you do.

Kendra Perry: You just made me feel really good for buying a 6000$ infrared sauna.

Amber Dugger: Good.

Kendra Perry: That's not over consumption that is luxury [crosstalk]

Christine H.: I have so much space in my bedroom, I'm like it would be super nice to have that sauna in there.

Kendra Perry: It's the best thing ever.

Christine H.: But for example, like just a silly example, and people probably aren't gonna understand, but I got a pair of underwear. It just had the top was available here in Luxembourg, but the bottom was nowhere to be found in my size, so I had to order it from [inaudible]. So the bottom alone is 56 pounds and then the shipping was 27. So in the end I spent 80 pounds, I don't even wanna know what that is in dollars on a thong. And I'm like, "should I do this?" In the end it looks gorgeous and when I wear it [inaudible] its amazing. Its super amazing and when I wear it, obviously I'm not only wearing that, like I wear clothes. But I wear it when-

Amber Dugger: But do you see this glowing emitting from you, and this energy and just this like lightness and like it just brings you up. And that's so important for us to give ourselves these things.

Christine H.: And when I do a deal, when I know that I go to a meeting that I have to close a deal, you can bet that's what I wear. Because it just uplifts everything for me. Everyone has their thing whether it's a family pen, whether it is a infrared sauna, whether it is, well anyway it doesn't matter. You're completely right that, you know, spend your money there instead of cheaper stuff that doesn't make you happy actually.

Amber Dugger: Yeah or expensive stuff that doesn't make you happy-

Christine H.: Yeah

Amber Dugger: And cheap old stuff can make you very happy.

Christine H.: True true.

Amber Dugger: Like this ruler, I love this ruler. [inaudible] but I have it on my desk [crosstalk].

Kendra Perry: I love that you made that distinction because I was actually thinking the other day, I'm like, "man, I spend a lot of money". But I spend a lot of money on my health, you know, my health is really important to me. I buy high quality supplements, I buy crazy light machines, I buy all kinds of stuff, but I use it all and in the end it helps me feel good energy wise and so now I feel a little bit better about spending money on that stuff.

Christine H.: But you also have a budget on your supplements, I don't know, right.

Amber Dugger: Sure, so the other component of this is also recognizing that these things require resources. So this is where it goes back to looking and assessing what is it that I really need to be my best self, to be energized, to have that ability to wake up in the morning and feel ready to tackle the day ahead of me. As you get more clear on that, then writing it down, assessing how much it will cost, is important because then you can put it into the revenue calculator, you can see how much you wanna make and then you can start making plans to hit and exceed that number. We all have the ability to do this and every single person can do this. Its just a matter of us taking this into our own hands and stop being bullied by an industry and also by this perception that we're not good with money.
I just have to touch on this because this always bothered me when I was in college. I was one of the only girls in my finance major, and I was surrounded by a lot of really big egos. They all wanted wall street investors. I had no desire to be a wall street investor. I saw it as a big hoax and really you can put your money in index funds and beat most of the investors 99% of the time. So the professor walked in one day and said, "Alright this is the advanced level investing course", there's all these guys that are getting ready to take there series 7. And he said, "okay, half of you in this room is gonna fail before mid-term, so I'm gonna share the most important thing you need to know to accumulate wealth in about five minutes before we move on to the other areas that will not help you nearly as much as this one tip." And I'm looking around and guys are just like whatever. I'm thinking, "did I hear this right? Why is not everyone taking out their pen and paper and writing this down?"
It was that, it was to put your money in index funds, because as history states, the market continues to grow and unless we have a huge crash, which if we have a huge crash everything will crash not just certain things, everything is gonna crash.so by putting it into something that you know is increasing in value steadily over time, why wouldn't you do that, right? And you don't have to do anything. Its super cheap, you don't have to pay for someone to do that. So I knew that there was something bigger that I wanted to do with my education. But I saw these, mostly guys, want to show how smart they were.
Now this is just my perception, but from my experience this is what was happening. And so they would go around and even in corporate, when I was in corporate, I would see the whole picture, I'd be like okay "we just need to spend less money or we need to make more money". That's really as simple as it gets here, right? Instead, they would be like, "oh well we have to look at this ratio, we have to look at this and we have to look at this performance index and all this stuff." And its like okay, but you're not actually doing anything to fix the big problem which is we have no cash.
So I say all this because if you feel confused about money, or you feel like when someone talks about money that their talking about all these really big things and confusing what's shorts and stocks and puts and all this stuff. I'm not speaking for the person talking about this, however, in general, my experience has been that this is to show how smart they are about it and how dumb you are. You're not. Money is very simple. If you have money, and you want to spend less than you have, and if you something cost more than you have, don't spend it. That's as simple as it gets. I say this because its become more and more evident to me that the deepest reason people don't look at it is they don't wanna appear stupid, they don't wanna appear like they don't know what they're talking about.
I encourage you to start educating yourself and just looking and reading blog articles and possibly picking up this book and Ramit Sethi's book is hands down one of my favorite personal finance books, I'll Teach You To Be Rich. That's why I have not written a book, because he wrote it. Everything he wrote I'm like, "Yes! Yes!" I had a chance to meet him last year and I told him, I was like, "I love what you wrote. If everyone would read that book they would be in such a better state of mind about money, because you make it so approachable."

Kendra Perry: Yeah, and one of the first things I did after reading this book was set up index funds. My boyfriend loved that you said that because I think people think investing is really complicated. And I know people are paying really high management fees to get a person to manage their investments when really that person is gonna lose against the computer algorithm every time. So, I think [inaudible] is really important, its really affordable and over the long term it makes you significantly more money.

Amber Dugger: Heck yes sister!

Kendra Perry: Yeah![crosstalk]

Christine H.: Amazing! So I can, just personally again, we emphasize and totally vouch for Amber and her service. Its been a game changer for me, I think it was literally the first step that changed everything, myself included because then I read the Margaret Lynch book and then I read Joe Dispenza's Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself. When channel all of these together it changes you as a person and you know what to do, you're not afraid of money which is helpful if you want to make money. Its life changing. So I highly, highly suggest having just a chat with Amber if you are feeling like I did in the beginning or like any of the scenarios that we discussed today. So Amber just quickly let us know if we have people who are like "okay, I am ready, I want to face this, I want to be happy, I really want to know what to do." How can they get in touch with you?

Amber Dugger: Oh well first of all thank you for saying that, I really do appreciate it. My mission is really to make my business [inaudible]. I want this to not be an issue. The best way to get a hold of me is first to download the calculator, you'll get lots of information on how to take that further.

Christine H.: [crosstalk]Where can people find it?

Amber Dugger: Yes, it's just my website amberdugger.com. The other place to go would be my free community in Facebook, its called Sweet Life Purpose for Money. In there, there's all sort of resources and you can ask questions there and then there's a way to book a call on my website as well and its just amberdugger.com/workwithme.

Kendra Perry: Awesome. That's the first thing I'm gonna do after this call is I'm gonna go download your probability calculator and I'm like, "okay I gotta get more organized, I need to know my numbers, I love this." I actually love numbers. I never thought I did, but they kind of tingle me a little bit.

Christine H.: They turn me on when I get them in my bank account.

Kendra Perry: Oh yeah!

Amber Dugger: Well ladies, thank you so much for having me. Its been such a pleasure.

Christine H.: Absolutely

Kendra Perry: Thank you so much

Christine H.: Thank you so much. And you guys don't forget to leave us a five star review on Itunes. And-

Kendra Perry: Five star!

Christine H.: We will talk to you in two weeks. So thanks for coming and listening and watching and keep doing this.

Kendra Perry: Good words of advice.

Christine H.: Alright. [crosstalk] alright you guys thanks for listening and talk to you soon! Bye!

IV Chelation Therapy vs. Metal Detoxing Naturally

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Is IV chelation for heavy metal detox safe or even effective for metal detox?

Did you know toxic metals are a primary cause of fatigue and burnout? Metals poison the enzymes that the cells mitochondria needs to function. If your mitochondria can’t perform, you can’t perform. 

Metals are also potent endocrine disruptors and can mimic human estrogen leading to hormonal and fertility issues. 

But is it a good idea to aggressively pull them out of the kidneys with IV chelation? I give my 2 cents in this episode.

Transcript:

Kendra: Hey guys, how's it going? Kendra Perry here, welcome to another episode of High on Energy TV. As always, I am super, super excited to be with you today and I'm super excited as always to show you how to get more energy. Yay. And today we're going to be talking about something that's as always, I feel pretty passionately about. I feel like I have a lot of opinions and I'm really glad that you guys want to hang out with me every weekend and here my opinions. And today we're going to be talking a little bit about heavy metals and we're going to be talking about Iv Chelation, which is typically the standard strategy, but a lot of practitioners are going to use if they have determined that you have a heavy metal issue. Okay. And so let's talk a little bit first about toxic metals. So toxic metals, you're going to find them on the periodic table and they're basically just elements in our environment that are very toxic to the human body.


So in terms of metals so let's, if we compare them to minerals, you're going to find minerals also on the periodic table that of course minerals have biological function, they have physiological function. They're actually incredibly important for our bodies to function properly and for us to be healthy and not [inaudible] And unfortunately I'm glad you're here. And if you guys have questions you can definitely ask them in the comments and I will do my best to get to them at the end of the video or as we go through the video. And basically metals, they don't have any physiological function. Ellen's here too, welcome Ellen. And so with metals in the body, they are going to disrupt the bodily functions, the bodily, the process regardless. Okay. Even small amounts of metals are still an issue. And the biggest issue with a lot of heavy metal testing, and I would include hair mineral analysis, my favorite test. in this is that they have really kind of loosey goosey reference ranges.


And it's crazy how on a lot of even mineral metals are still metals or hair mineral analysis, like just a little bit of metal will pop up and it looks like, oh, it's not a big deal. It's the very tiny bottom of the reference range. But actually that's actually a pretty big deal. And that's just because like I mentioned, there's no physiological function. There's no biological function for metals. So even a small amount getting into your system is going to cause issues. And the primary issues with metals is that they interfere with the cell mitochondria. Okay. And the mitochondria is like this little energy powerhouse within your cell. It's responsible for making something called ATP or adenosine triphosphate, which is your cellular energy. Think of it like gasoline being put into the car. The ATP is the gas for your body. So when you don't have ATP, I mean not only will you not maybe feel energetic or have energy, but like the body doesn't run, right.


So if metals are interfering with the mitochondria, this is a huge, huge issue. Right? And this is why I think a lot of these tests, each GMA labs included need to actually do a better job of reporting their reference ranges because it just makes people think, and I think it makes ... It gives people a false sense of security. They're like, "Oh, I don't really have many metals." Or practitioners are like, "Oh, it's really low. It's not a big deal." But when even like these ... When I look at hair mineral analysis, even if I see just a little bit of metal popping up then I'm still gonna call that metal toxicity. I'm still going to cause that an issue. Okay.


And typically when you get to some sort of metals testing and you're found to be metal toxic, wherever you're working with is like, okay, you have a metal problem. We need to be toxic metals. If they are licensed practitioner, if they're a doctor, they're a natural pathic doctor, typically what they're going to do is they're going to recommend IVT chelation. Okay. And so chelators are basically synthetic substances that grab metals and pull them out of the body. Okay. And when you first look at that, you're like, oh, that sounds really good. Like that's what I want to do. I want to grab these metals and I want to move them out of the body.


But unfortunately when these chelators pull metals out of the body, they end up re circulating the body several times. And so they pull these metals through the kidneys and that in itself is very, very, incredibly hard on the kidneys. Okay. And it can actually be dangerous and it tends to cause a lot of symptoms. You Google symptoms of IV chelators online or you get on some forums, you listen to some people who've gone through this experience, you may not hear a lot of good recommendations or good stories around it. And there's a lot of people who swear and I tend to believe them that they totally lost their health or their health totally went sideways after a chelation treatment. My father is actually one of those people this was many, many years ago. And I mean I don't ever think there's one thing that causes everything, but I think this was a trigger for him because he had some stuff going on and he got ... Was recommended to do a certain chelation therapy and within a couple days of getting chelation therapy, he got [inaudible]


Yeah. So I would say like in terms of chelation therapy you gotta be in a really strong place to even consider taking it. I would highly recommend that you do it alongside mineral balancing. I don't think you should ever do it by itself, just chelation. And I think the thing that we really have to consider is the source of the metals. Okay. And so any metal detox really does begin with determining, well, where are these metals is actually coming from? Okay. So I looked at a couple hair mineral analysis panels today. It's actually a husband wife team that I'm working with, they were awesome. And both of them have aluminum through the roof, like off the charts, way outside the reference range, just super high and it's really concerning.


And I'm like, okay. So the first thing we do when I look at that is I'm like, okay, like we need to figure out where that aluminum is actually come from. So I go through their intake, I study their intake when I talk with them in a session, I pull up all the sources and we talk about it. And am like is this ... Because these things can be hiding in your environment? And what we actually determined? Well first of all they had both just recently quit smoking cigarettes as of December. So they've only been off cigarettes for about a month. So unfortunately cigarettes are full of synthetic chemicals. They're full of metals, they're full of cadmium and aluminum is a very common filler in a lot of cigarettes. So as soon as I knew that information as like, okay, so cigarettes is definitely part of it and luckily they quit smoking. So this is really good. Okay. So we've dealt with that.


The other thing that came to mind with the aluminum was the fact that they eat out a lot and almost all restaurants actually cook with aluminum because it's much cheaper than stainless steel and that aluminum readily leaches into food. So if you're someone who eats out a lot of restaurants, then that is definitely an issue. And yeah, you're going to be consuming high levels of aluminum. So it's too bad because eating out is nice, but if you do it all the time yeah, you're going to not only get, have an issue with aluminum but probably many other issues as well. Okay. So once you determine, okay, and we can't, it is impossible to remove all sources of metals. Unfortunately, they are all around us. If you just look at this room like there's probably toxic metals in the paint.


There's probably at some point that couch behind me probably was off gassing formaldehyde and other chemicals maybe even burning. Luckily it's a used couch, so hopefully it's not doing those things anymore. Okay. But we have a very intimate relationship with chemicals, with metals. So it isn't possible to fully remove the sources of all of these things, but we can do a very good job at least removing the major sources. Okay. The next approach I would take to heavy metal detox that doesn't involve chelation would be to balanced minerals. Okay. And you might be wondering, well, what do minerals have to do with metals? And the truth is they have everything to do with metals. Okay. And this is because minerals and metals are very similar. Okay. They have similar properties. They all sit on the periodic table.
They might have different molecular chemical weights, different valences, different numbers of electrons in their shells. This is getting pretty nerdy with chemistry, but they are similar. Okay. And what that means is that if the body's in a pinch, if the body is lacking something, that it needs to complete a certain function. And when I talk about lacking, I'm talking about minerals. The body can actually use metals in the place of minerals to perform a specific function. So a really good example is cadmium and lead. Okay. So lead and cadmium have very similar chemical structures, very similar atomic weights.


Cadmium will fit into a lot of the binding sites that zinc needs to fit into. But obviously cadmium is incredibly toxic and it's only going to do a small portion of the jobs that zinc does. But if the body is zinc deficient or it doesn't have bio available zinc to work with then it can use cadmium. If there's cadmium on the body, it can actually use it. Okay. there's also a similarity between calcium and lead, for example. So these two are very similar. And if the body is lacking calcium and this would be true in someone who is an excessive or fast oxidizer, they tend to have very low levels of calcium and the body can actually use lead to make both. Okay, Because 99 of calcium should be in the bone. And what's not in the bone, it causes issues. And if it's getting pulled from the bone because it's bioavailable, the body needs to use something to build the bone and it will use lead. unfortunately lead makes really crappy little bone, but it is better than nothing.


Okay. [inaudible] simply pull metals out of the kidneys. why would you want to do that if the body's actually utilizing those metals in place of mineral deficiency? And I think this is how chelation therapy can make people very sick, only is chelation pulling metals very aggressively through the kidneys, which is very hard on the kidneys, very hard on the liver, very hard on the body, but it's also pulling them from the body before the body might be ready to eliminate them. Because really the body needs to be re-mineralized. And this is why hair mineral analysis and re-mineralizing and mineral balancing is so important because the body will let go of what it does it need when you actually give it what it needs. Okay. So for example, like if you are calcium deficient and your body is using lead in place of calcium then you need to restore your calcium levels. But you can only do that if you actually know your calcium levels and where they're actually at.


Right? So we do that with hair mineral analysis. And then maybe the body would love to let go of cadmium but it doesn't have good zinc levels. So we need to actually make the zinc more bio available. And when we do that, we can actually way more easily get the Cadmium out of the body. So I always start with hair mineral analysis because you want to make sure the body is in a really strong place. Just because you know something is present in the body, like heavy metal toxicity doesn't always mean that it is the time to go for it. And sometimes you actually do need to build the body up before the is actually ready to address and deal with metals. Okay. So when it comes to once you re-mineralize the body and you're supporting the minerals and the body has a strong metabolism, is in a stronger energetic state, this could be a good time to start going from metals and there's a lot of strategies you can do.


But even at that point I still recommend IV chelation. I still think it can be sketchy. I still think it can be harmful. So I think at that point I would use some natural chelators. I'm a big fan of coriander seed oil. I'm a big fan of activated silicon. So bio cell, it's a product that is marketed for hair, skin and nails, but it's actually a really great heavy metal immobilizer. I love modified citrus pectin as a binder. And when there are a lot of metals in a person and I really suspect that they are very high in the body based on testing, I'll actually do an EDTA suppository. So this is a ... EDTA is a chelator, but when you insert it rectally, so into the anus, it actually doesn't get pulled through the kidneys three times.


It only goes through once. So it was much easier on the body, go straight into the bloodstream and it really takes a lot of the pressure off of the liver and the kidneys. And as a result it has very few side effects. People might experience a little bit of fatigue, a little bit of diarrhea, but they don't get the scary and often dangerous side effects that can actually come with IV chelation. Okay. And so I think this is really, really important. I think it's ... And I see this a lot and I'm not trying to bash other practitioners that are doing this, but this is what a lot of the research is on. And the reason for this is because our knowledge of heavy metals, what's in the research is usually based around workplace or industrial accident exposure. So these more extreme situations where people are working in a mill or a factory and they get exposed to some high dose metal or some like nuclear disaster or some industrial disaster that leaches some chemical in really high amounts into the environment.


In those cases when you've had a really extreme aggressive exposure to metal, like IV chelation may actually be something that would save your life and something that would be the best course of action. There are certain situations where it's so bad that you need something really strong like that. But IV chelation is not a good strategy for long term chronic low grade metal exposure. And that's typically what we're dealing with as people who maybe don't work in factories or aren't getting exposed to these things in high doses as a result of some local disaster. A lot of us have this low grade chronic metal accumulation and exposure and the really a good strategy is not to go in aggressively and pull these things out of the body. Okay. So I always start with, we talked about exposure. Like where are these things coming into her life?
How can we reduce our exposure as much as possible? Great way to start is to filter your shower water and your tap water because that's how a lot of us are actually getting exposed to metals. So that is a really good starting point. And then starting to look at your personal care products your beauty products, starting to look at cookware. What you're eating your food on, what are your cooking your food in. These are all really important things. Okay. And then once we've kind of talked about exposure and obviously when you're addressing exposure and removing these things from your environment it's not a quick fix. It takes time and it is sort of it's a process. I'm still years in slowly replacing things and getting certain things out of my life that I know are toxic.


And then at that point that's where it would be a great time to run a hair mineral analysis test. If you're a member of my High on Energy program, my membership program, you can access this task as an upgrade. It's where I start everyone with, because when we re-mineralize the body, the body will naturally start to let go of some of its metals. And once we get to the body to a strong stage, to a place where the energy is strong and the person is feeling much better and feels like they can take on a little bit more. That's when we start to do the stronger metal detox. And that way it might be when I do some EDTA suppositories, when I might do more natural chelators. But if you're wondering what is a good sort of like general metals strategy that we can all do on a regular basis to help our body not accumulate some of these toxic metals that we are getting exposed to on a regular basis.


And so first would be to do BioSil. So BioSil liquid, like I said, this is marketed towards skin, nails and hair, but it is a fantastic heavy metal immobilizer. I would only start with one drop and I would not go much further than six or seven drops. It can cause a lot of fatigue, especially if you are someone who has a lot of metals in their body, but you would never take this without taking a binder. And the only binder I recommend is EcoNugenics. This is modified citrus pectin. This company has backed up their process with many studies, many scientific trials. And the reason I like it is because modified citrus pectin will bind two metals, it will bind chemicals. It will bind to all the crap, but it will not bind the minerals. And that is a huge downfall of many binders out there is they bind to everything.


And in a society where we are incredibly mineral deficient where we are dealing with a mineral and nutrient poor of food supply, we don't want to be taking anything that's going to make that situation worse for us. And that's why I only recommend the modified citrus pectin. You're going to do something like charcoal or bentonite clay. I recommend rotating it. So only doing it for maybe three or four days and then taking a couple of weeks off just because it is going to have a pretty significant effect on binding to your minerals. Okay. So I hope that was helpful guys. And if you're on with me for Facebook live, so I do this Facebook live every Tuesday at 4:15 Pacific time. If you want guys want to hop on with me live and then this episode actually goes out as an episode of the High on Energy podcast and that goes out every Thursday.
But if you guys are on Facebook live with me right now and you'd have questions, just let me know. I'm always happy to answer your questions. There is a bit of a delay between when I see the product testing, you want to get the answers and you're second guessing what's going on with your energy, what's going on with your health and you want to actually get a strategy that science tells you is correct. You can work with me and my High on Energy group membership program. Currently, that is the only way to work with me and say, I'm not taking on one on one clients, but members of my group, get lots of support from me and they also get access to the testing. All right guys, you guys, and I'll see you guys next Tuesday for the next High on Energy episode.

3 Blood Chemistry results for Energy Production

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3 Blood Chemistry results that give insight into energy production (that many Doctors ignore).

It’s it frustrating when a woman goes to the Doctor and ALL the blood work comes back as “normal”? She is sitting there feeling like a pile of crap and her Doc is standing there telling her that “You’re healthy” or “It must be stress.”

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Kendra Perry: Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome, welcome, to another episode of HIGH on Energy TV. I am your host, Kendra Perry, and as always I am pretty friggin' excited to be with you today. So I'm gonna be standing here pretty close to my microphone because I'm in a new office, as you can see, for those of you who are hanging out with me on Facebook Live. And it's a little echoey in here, we've got high ceilings, we've got rock floors. So I'm just gonna try to be super close to my mic, because when I'm close to my mic, my audio sounds better. So hopefully you guys can hear me okay if you're on with me live make sure to say hi, say hello. I love to connect with you and know who's here.
And today we're actually gonna be talking a little bit about blood chemistry markers and which markers you should be using for ... oh, that's weird. And which markers you should be using if you want to try to unwind the reason why you're so tired.
Because honestly, there is nothing more frustrating than going to the doctor, getting a whole bunch of bloodwork done, and then just being told that, "Hey, you're healthy, everything's normal." And you're sitting there being like, "Man, I feel like garbage. I feel like crap. And this guy's telling me, or this gal's telling me, that I'm healthy." Or they're like, "Well you're probably just stressed out." And you're just like, "Man, I've been going to yoga, I've been meditating. My life isn't that stressful. There's something else going on." And you're just not getting validated for that at all.
And so I'm gonna talk to you today about, there's many blood chemistry markers that can help you but I want to focus on three really specific ones, 'cause these are three that don't get ... they're not often run. A couple of them are, but they're definitely ones that you should request, and they should be a part of a standard blood chemistry that you get with your doctor. Okay.
So with blood chemistry, the big reason why everything is always coming back as normal or as in range is because the lab is using really wide reference ranges. So it is actually regulated, or it's a law, that lab ranges, the normal, quote-on-quote normal range, needs to include 90% of the population, okay? And as the population shifts, that range needs to also shift with that population, okay? And so this is a big issue, right, because there's a pretty big trend happening these days where people are getting sicker. People are getting sicker and sicker and I think that's quite apparent when you look at the younger generation. When you look at a lot of the people, you can probably think of a couple people in your life, maybe even yourself, who has an autoimmune condition.
Autoimmune conditions are incredibly common. They get grouped into all these different categories based off of the tissue that is being attacked by the immune system, but they are really all the same process in the body and if you lump them all into one category, for example, that would surpass cancer when it comes to statistics. So a lot of people have autoimmune conditions, a lot of people have a lot of chronic health issues. So as the population gets sicker, those lab ranges legally have to shift to accommodate the sicker population.
So when you're in range, your doctor is telling you that you're normal, really what that means is that you're falling within the spectrum of a population of people who aren't that healthy. So looking at conventional ranges, I mean, it doesn't tell us anything. It doesn't tell us, "Oh, this is actually working fine, you're healthy." It literally just tells us that you're somewhere in an average of a population of people who don't feel great and who are sick and don't necessarily take care of themselves. So we use something in functional medicine, we use functional ranges. These are more narrow lab ranges. They're based off of what's been found to be appropriate for good function. And so these are much more narrow and they also will find things trending in the wrong direction way quicker than any conventional range will pick up.
And so what I mean by this is, your health doesn't go sideways overnight. That doesn't happen. It's always a buildup over time. When you start manifesting symptoms, that actually means that what you've had going on, what caused those symptoms, is something that may have been going on for months, for years, or even decades. And the reason for this is because our bodies are designed to survive. And if we had symptoms, it would be very hard for us to survive in the real world, IE, nature before the industrialized world, right? If we were sick and fatigued and tired, how would we outrun predators? How would we outrun a cougar? Or whatever. How would we find food? How would we hunt if we were tired AF? Right? And so the body tries its best to keep us in balance, to try to keep us at homeostasis, as balanced as possible.
So the body is always compensating. The body doesn't want you to have symptoms. So it spends years trying to keep you balanced, trying to compensate as best it can. During that time, you may not have a lot of symptoms. You're like, "I feel good, life is good." But then suddenly you start manifesting symptoms. And when we start getting symptoms we're like, "Oh man, nothing has changed. I don't know what caused this." But meanwhile, whatever is causing it, the dysfunction that's been kind of pulling at that balance point, that homeostasis in your body, has probably been going on for a really long time. By the time you have symptoms, there is a disease state going on in your body. There is dysfunction. Okay?
And these really wide lab ranges that we're using in the conventional medicine system, they don't pick up dysfunction until things have gotten really friggin' bad, okay? So by the time you are out of range on your blood work, that's a big deal. That's actually super, super out of range. And because those lab ranges are so wide and rarely does your doctor actually explain your blood chemistry to you or even really track when things are maybe shifting in the wrong direction. So maybe you're at optimum, you're right in the middle of the range, and you keep trending right, going further and further towards the high end of range. Maybe this is happening over 10 or 20 years. But your doctor's not tracking that. They're not saying, "This is getting higher." They're not really comparing it. Typically they're just saying, "Oh, that's in range, so you're fine."
And so all this time, unknowingly, your health is getting worse, something is turning in the wrong direction, and then suddenly when you go to the doctor it gets flagged as high, it's outside of the range, and your doctor's like, "Oh, this is a big deal." And you're like, "Oh my god, this happened overnight, this is crazy. Six months ago I was healthy, and now I have a disease." And you get diagnosed with something. And so you're just like, "Oh my god, this just happened overnight. I was healthy and now I'm not." And that's not really what's going on, that's not what's happening. It's actually been developing for years. There's just no one that's actually explained to you that things were actually trending in the wrong direction. Okay?
So, that's me hanging out on my soap box. Okay. So let's talk about, so with functional ranges what I just want to say about that is what's cool when you use them is when things get flagged high on your functional range it's gonna detect things that don't get flagged high in the conventional range. So that means that we can pick up dysfunction well before it turns into a full blown chronic disease. And it means we can turn things around, right? Because it's way easier to turn things around before they've progressed to a certain state. Like, when people get multiple diseases, multiple diagnoses, and they get put on multiple prescription drugs, that's a tough situation. It's not to say that it's not fixable. There's always hope. But it is something that's a big more chronic and it's typically gonna take a longer time to heal. So that is something that is really important to keep in mind.
Okay. So let's talk about the three blood chemistry markers that you ... let's see here. Okay, we'll talk about the three blood chemistry markers that you should be getting measured if you are someone who is really fatigued. You're really tired. You feel really drained, really burnt out, and nothing seems to be fixing it. And guys, I'm having something weird going on with my e-cam right now. Just so you know if you guys are on with me live and you're commenting with me, I actually can't get to the comments because my cursor is stuck to the video screen. And so I can't click on anything. So anyways, we're just gonna roll with that. If you guys are with me say hi, say hello, but if you have questions there's something glitching out here so I'm not gonna actually be able to answer them. But that's okay. I usually come back, if you guys have questions feel free to ask them. I'll come back later and answer them in the comments or I'll add them to the Live Q&A that happens on the last Tuesday of every month at 4:15 PM Pacific Time.
Okay. So the first blood chemistry marker I wanted to mention is something called hemoglobin A1C. Or HA1C. And this is actually a blood sugar measurement, and what's very cool about this marker is it's not just what's going on with your blood sugar on the day that you took the test, it's more of an average of what's been going on with your blood sugar regulation over about three months. Why is this important for energy? Because glucose is our primary energy molecule, right? We use that to give ourself energy. So if you don't metabolize or move glucose very well into your cells there's a good chance you're gonna be feeling really tired. You might be having lots of blood sugar fluctuations. Your energy might go up and down throughout the day. Because your body is not regulating your blood sugar well.
And there can be a few things going on with this. Sometimes there's too much insulin in the blood. Insulin moves that glucose into the cell and if there's too much insulin then it can cause low blood sugar. It can push that glucose too quickly or too aggressively into the cell. Or, if insulin is too little, if there's not enough insulin then every time you eat you have an excessive amount of blood sugar in your blood and because you don't have enough insulin then your body as a really hard time shoveling that glucose into your cell and therefore your energy production is going to be hindered. Okay.
So with a lot of blood work, you may get a fasting glucose, at a minimum. And sure, that's great, it's good to know what's going on with glucose. But without saying insulin, and insulin is actually a pretty rare marker that doctors will actually order, it can be really hard to see what that blood sugar actually means. And that's why I like hemoglobin A1C, because it kind of looks at the whole picture. And where you want to be is you want to be below 5.5%. So if you are above 5.5% or even if you're getting close to 5.5%, maybe you're at 5.4, that can be you trending in the wrong direction and what that will tell you is if you don't turn things around, if you don't get your shit figured out, then you're gonna be on your way to metabolic syndrome and Type 2 diabetes. And so that's a really good measurement, because sometimes why people are so tired is because they don't regulate their blood sugar properly.
And if hemoglobin A1C is high, the first thing you're gonna want to do is take a really good look at your diet. For people who are having issues regulating their blood sugar, if they're having blood glucose metabolism issues, the first place to look is your breakfast. Like what are you eating for breakfast? If you are eating a breakfast that is high in carbohydrate, high in sugar, cereal, muffins, donuts, granola, these are not good things to eat for breakfast. And if you have elevated H1AC or hemoglobin A1C, this is even a bigger deal. I was working with a client earlier this week and he had a high hemoglobin A1C and when I looked at his diet there was lots of fruit, there was lots of granola bars, and there was cereal for breakfast. And I was like, "We need to completely flip this. We need to get you on high protein, high fat diet. We need to reduce the sugar. We need to reduce the refined carbohydrates in order to turn this around." And so that's always where you start.
But if you eat a really healthy diet, if you're eating a paleo-esque sort of diet, higher fat, higher protein, lower carbohydrate, the next thing to look into would be fasting. Intermittent fasting can be really helpful for helping people to reregulate their insulin and their blood sugar. And if you've done that and it's still high then you're gonna want to consider mineral imbalances and gut infections. There are certain situations where the body has chronic infections where they can't actually ... where, sorry, the body will actually keep people insulin resistant on purpose due to the infections that are in the body. So that is the H1AC, and like I said, you want to be below 5.5% for good health and good energy production.
The next marker I want to measure is reverse T3. Okay, so this is, should be, in my opinion, part of every single comprehensive thyroid panel. But rarely is it measured, and you do usually have to request it. In Canada, you can definitely get it from a naturopathic doctor. If you ask your doctor about it they actually may have no idea what you're talking about but it's only about a $40 test. But it's really important. And so yeah, I mean, obviously it's good to look at a comprehensive thyroid marker but reverse T3 is an inactive form of T3. And T3 is just your active thyroid hormone. So that is what regulates your metabolism, what gives you energy, and if your reverse T3 is high it tells you that your body is not producing active thyroid hormone. So that's gonna mean you're gonna have sluggish metabolism, sluggish thyroid activity, and lower energy. And you want your T3 to be below 15. And if it's above 15, that can tell you that you have a chronic infection in your gut. It can also tell you about heavy metal toxicity and that's one I see all the time. And so you're gonna want to look into those things. Look at your exposure to metals, to chemicals, implement some detox strategies, and clear up your gut. 'Cause you want that reverse T3 or that RT3 to be below 15 or you're gonna feel fatigued. You're gonna have low energy.
The next markers, and this is more a collection of markers, this isn't really a single marker, but this is your liver enzymes and your gallbladder enzyme. So this is AST, ALT, and GGT. So AST and ALT, those are your liver enzymes. When those start to get high, what that tells you is that your liver is starting to have a hard time metabolizing fat properly, and sugar. So when your liver enzymes are above ... so you want your AST to be below 20, so between 10 and 20 international units per liter. And you want your ALT to be between 10 and 25 international units per liter. And so when AST and ALT start to get high, that means you are on your way to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And that just means that your liver is stressed out, it's probably toxic. It means that you're probably eating a diet that is too high in carbohydrates, refined sugar, again, there's a huge dietary component. And you're gonna want to probably take something to help with your liver.
So a supplement that I just ordered, I've been looking into and I'm starting to recommend to clients, is this BioRay Liver Life. It's a liver tonic and it has really amazing herbs that help regenerate your liver. Now, it does have a bit of milk thistle in it, and milk thistle has some detoxification blocking effects, so you do want to cycle on and off of it. Making sure you're not taking it all the time. And guys, if you're asking questions right now on Facebook Live, I'm sorry, I'm glitching out with my e-cam right now so I actually can't see your comments and I don't have the ability to click on them. But, ask your questions and I'll make sure they get answered in the monthly Q&A.
So this liver life from BioRay, really love it. Really good for regenerating the liver. The other marker that is a part of this category is GGT. And GGT, you want it to be between 18 and 28 international units per liter. And if it gets high, that is a sign that your gallbladder is struggling, okay? Your gallbladder probably has thick sluggish toxic bile. The bile isn't flowing. There might be some biliary obstruction, stasis, it's not moving, insufficiency, damage, and that's a big deal. And why should you care about liver, gallbladder, what does this have to do with energy? Well, your liver, it gets the fame for being a detoxification organ. But it actually has mostly digestive function. So if your liver is struggling you're gonna have a hard time breaking down and assimilating nutrients, assimilating food. And that is going to play into your energy levels. And if your bile is sluggish because of gallbladder issues, that's huge because bile is your primary detoxifier. It is a binder. It moves toxins out of the body and it also regulates your hormones. So sluggish bile is a big reason why women have PCOS, why women have estrogen dominance, all these things can affect your energy levels. And a big reason why women are toxic, okay? Also a huge reason why they have thyroid issues. Because you need to have good bile function in order to convert the inactive T4 hormone to the active T3 hormone. Okay?
So bile is friggin' important, okay? And if your GGT is high that means your gallbladder is failing and that means you may be on your way to getting gallbladder surgery. Which you don't need to get. The gallbladder is not a throwaway organ. So if you see that GGT above 28, you need to get your bile flowing. I love bitters, Canadian bitters is one that I use personally, if you're in Canada this is what I recommend. If you're in the States I use Dr. Shades Bitters #9 from Quicksilver. Or Urban Moonshine also makes a good one. So any good bitter tincture. You also want to get coline. If you are someone who has non alcoholic fatty liver disease, you should get on coline. You want to do 500 mg of coline three times a day, do this for six weeks, and then retest and see where your liver enzymes are at. And there will be a good chance that they have come down if you've also added into your regime a really good diet and really good sleep, okay?
The other thing that I really love for sluggish gallbladder is something called tudca, it's a really, really special bile acid and it can also help get the bile flowing. You'll also want to consider bile building foods or bile stimulating foods, so your grains are really fantastic ways to stimulate bile. Any bitter foods like dandelion, chicory, ginger will do it, a really high quality cup of coffee in the morning is a good way to stimulate bile. Beet juice. Celery juice. All these things are great bile stimulants. So yeah. Definitely look into those things. Okay.
So let's do a quick recap before I hop off, guys. So the three blood chemistry markers that you definitely want to be looking at if your energy is in the toilet. Number one is the hemoglobin A1C so this is your blood sugar marker that shows you an average of glucose metabolism over three months. And you want that to be below 5.5%. If it's above 5.5%, you're probably on your way to type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome. But, luckily, you can turn it around by getting your diet dialed in, looking at your minerals, and looking at any exposure to gut infections.
Number two is reverse T3, this should be a part of any comprehensive thyroid panel. It's an inactive thyroid hormone and your body will push it into that when there is thyroid dysfunction but typically when there are infections and heavy metal toxicity and that will make you tired. And then you always want to be looking at your liver enzymes and gallbladder enzymes, AST and ALT. Those should be below ... AST should be below 20, ALT should be below 25, and your GGT should be below 28. And if those are trending high, that's a sign that you are moving towards non alcoholic fatty liver disease and possible gallbladder surgery, so love your bile. Think about ways to stimulate your bile. Stimulate your liver. Consider doing a good detox strategy. Try to get that stuff moving and get your diet dialed in. Reduce that sugar, reduce those carbohydrates, and make sure to get sleep.
Okay, guys. So I hope that was helpful. Again if you have comments, I'll come back to them after. I'll make sure to add them to the live Q&A that happens the last Tuesday of every month. Typically we do these Facebook Lives on Tuesdays at 4:15 Pacific. This week was a little crazy, but I wanted to make sure that I squeezed it in. And guys, the podcast of this goes out every Thursday so if you don't have time to consume video, like me, you can listen to this as a podcast. It's just the HIGH on Energy podcast, and you can subscribe to that on iTunes, on Spotify, on Google Play, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Alright guys, thank you so much for tuning in. As always, I hope this was helpful and I will talk to you guys soon.

A Functional Approach to Autoimmunity with Brendan Vermiere

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Tools mentioned in this episode:

- The Autoimmune Fix and You Can Fix Your Brain by Tom O'Brien

- Hashimoto Protocol by Izabella Wentz

-The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

About Brendan Vermiere:

Brendan began his career as a personal trainer and nutritionist at the age of 19. He is now an Integrative Clinician and Functional Practitioner specializing in complex chronic disease. He loves all things holistic health and fitness and has many fitness, nutrition, and clinical credentials. He is the owner and founder of the virtual integrative clinic, Metabolic Solutions LLC. Brendan is also the current AFDNP Director for Functional Diagnostic Nutrition. In his free time he enjoys expanding his education, studying philosophy, writing, reading, anything outdoors, and anything that expands the mind and soul 🙂


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www.metabolicsolutionsllc.com


Transcript:

Kendra Perry: Hello, hello everyone. Welcome to the 360 Health Biz Podcast. I'm Kendra Perry and hanging out with my friends. Number one is my number one or number two, Christine Hansen, looking sexy, beautiful, unbelievably attractive as always, and I know she loves this intro.

Christine H.: I do. I do. It makes my life really ... It's amazing. I have an impeccable style in clothing, which is why Kendra and I are completely matched up today.

Kendra Perry: We are matched up today. Awesome. It's like we planned it or something, hey? Cool, well we have a really good show coming up for you today. We're gonna get nerdy because we're hanging out with Brendan Vermeire and he is super intelligent, super smart. We're gonna be talking about autoimmune conditions and working with clients who have different autoimmune diseases and conditions, which is pretty important because it's a pretty common thing going on in today's society. So, Brendan, amazingly, started his career at 19, which blows our mind, because I know me and Christine at 19 were dancing on the bar in white T-shirts.

Christine H.: [inaudible] Reminder at least, so it's painful.

Brendan V.: Where are those pictures for the throwback Thursday?

Christine H.: On Facebook right now!

Kendra Perry: Yeah, I know I actually posted my first Facebook profile picture after I got inspired by Christine's. Yours is like, you wasted at a bar and I'm in a green leprechaun costume, making a pretty stunning pose, I'd have to say.
Anyways let's get back on track here. Brendan is an Integrative Clinician and Functional Practitioner, specializing in complex chronic disease. He loves all things ballistic health fitness and has many fitness nutrition and clinical credentials. He is the owner and founder of Virtual Integrative Clinic Metabolic Solutions. He is also the current AFDNP Director for Functional Diagnostic Nutrition. He loves expanding his education, studying philosophy, writing, reading, anything outdoors and expanding his mind and soul.
So Welcome Brendan! Thank you for being here. Welcome to the show.

Brendan V.: Absolutely, Happy to be here, hanging out with you both.

Kendra Perry: Awesome, so today we are going to be talking about autoimmune conditions. Can you tell us a little bit about, maybe for some of our newbie people, what is an autoimmune condition, why should we car about it and, people are going to be coming across it a lot, so what should they be looking out for?

Brendan V.: Yeah, absolutely. Autoimmunity is one of those weird ass phenomemon where the immune system starts destroying the bodies own tissues. Autoimmune, the name kind of explains it. I think people don't realize, how big of a problem it is. When you look at the disease statics for America, we all know cardiovascular disease is number 1, but cancer is listed at number 2. The reason why is because all types are cancer are collectively put into the same statistic bucket.
The thing is, what people don't know, is if you took all the different diagnosed... which first off autoimmunity is horrendously under diagnosed, horrendously under screened for, under considered, but even still if you added up all the diagnosed conditions of autoimmunity and put them all together it would our rank cancer.
So we really are in an autoimmune crisis, that's just not public knowledge yet. It's just not commonly known, but it's extremely common. We have to realize that a lot of these mechanisms, they have these kind of root caused, contributing factors and it's just a matter of, Alright you have autoimmunity. I also like to think of like a forest fire. There's a forest fire raging in your body. Which trees are being burnt, whichever trees are going to be the weak link, whatever is most susceptible to being burnt, whatever is not as resilient. It's a huge problem.

Christine H.: [inaudible] Go ahead Kendra.

Kendra Perry: I was just going to say, can we dig into some of those root causes. What would you say are the primary things that are causing these different various types of autoimmune conditions?

Brendan V.: Obviously in the functional integrative space, we're all pretty dead set on the idea of [inaudible] hyperpermeability, kind of setting the stage for autoimmunity. Which you know some people say it's an absolute, it has to be there otherwise it doesn't happen. Others say, well most of the time, either way. The majority of the time we need to be looking at the gut health and the intestinal hyperpermeability but more so, it's going to be like, what are the triggers, what things are causing the immune system to freak out.
That's where you go to our conventional physician and they pretty much say, alright you're just one of those unlucky bastards, where your own immune system is destroying your own tissues, we have no explanation for why this ever happens, there is nothing you can do about it, we just need to put you on some kind of drug to manage your symptoms for the rest of your life. If it gets bad enough, we'll go in and do surgery and remove the tissue.
Which is frankly unacceptable. I get really fired up with that, because in reality there is tons of mechanisms and tons of contributing factors whether it's some kind of pathogen like Lyme disease or Babesiosis or it could be something as simple as toxins, like Bisphenol A, which makes plastic malleable and flexible. We consume tons of BPA and tons of these chemicals. When it gets into the blood stream, like BPA will bind to an estrogen receptor and the immune system doesn't know what the fuck that is. It's like Hey let's go attack that. If that receptor that it's stuck on. The cell is going to get damaged and it starts triggering this inflammatory cascade and pop, pop, pop, it all just goes up in flames.

Christine H.: I also think a lot of people don't know that they have an autoimmune disease. Like they know they have a disease like Hashimoto's or Rheumatosis or something like that but they don't actually know that it is their immune system attacking their own thing. They literately get the name and they get the prescription. Do you sometimes have people who you're working with or who inquire and then you take an intake form and they actually don't know that it is an autoimmune disease that they have.

Brendan V.: Absolutely. That's kind of another thing with our health care system. It's not an educational system and it's like, how do you overcome disease without some education and without some self ownership. You got to take ownership. This is a thing going on in my body, I need to understand what it is, why it happens, how to fix it, what can I do, what do I have control of to positively influence the situation.
Obviously we all know that's not how it is. It's like, we think you have this, hears your medication, get it filled up the street at the pharmacy and that's all there is to it. A lot of people don't know [inaudible] I'm not licensed, nothing. Your immune system is destroying this part of your body, so you tell me what that means to you.

Kendra Perry: It is crazy. It is sad, that ultimately a lot of people who have long standing autoimmune conditions that doesn't go treated with some sort of effective treatment route, they're going to get parts of their body removed. Parts of their colon, maybe their thyroid is going to get removed. It's just crazy because it's not the organ or tissues fault, it's the immune system and you need to figure out, what is driving that.
Let's talk a little bit more about some of the non-negotiable things you always do, with people who have autoimmune conditions. What are the things that they need to be doing or considering, if they want to see any type of moving on that needle.

Brendan V.: Especially with the demographic I work with, I pretty much assume...where it's like in the court system your innocent until proven guilty, in my clinic you're guilty until I can prove you're innocent. With my clients I am pretty much going to assume they have some degree of autoimmunity and I'm looking for it with my testing. If I can't find it, I can't find any data that proves that they are autoimmune, I might be a little more relaxed, but as soon as I see the evidence, it's game on.
We have to be that much more strict. With diet, if I see the antibodies high, we're going autoimmune paleo for now. Not that you have to be 100% that strict for the rest of your life, but we gotta get control of this situation. Let's buckle down. The thing with autoimmunity, there is so many factors that could be contributing to it. We can't be messing around with, lets leave this variable in but lets play with this variable. No we gotta blank slate that shit, start from ground zero and build up, until we get those antibodies negative. When it comes to finding like a maintenance lifestyle, you have to do the same in reverse. Introduce one thing at a time. Your antibodies are remaining negative, so we're good, Oh they're starting to go up, Stop, back up. It's an honest process to say the least.

Kendra Perry: What's some of the testing you use to measure that autoimmune activity?

Brendan V.: My standard 3 tests I run on every client that signs up is an, dutch hormone test, an organic acid test, from great plains and then pretty extensive blood work, blood chemistry. I build custom panels. I'll use the [inaudible] tumor from vibrant wellness or the [inaudible] from BSL labs. Pretty regularly as well.
With the blood work that I do, I like to use the little cheap blood test that's and AA or antinuclear antibody test. It's like $14 and if it's positive, we know there is some degree of autoimmune activity. Then too, every blood test I do I am looking at their thyroid, I am looking at their thyroid antibodies. In my opinion, anytime you do a thyroid test, you gotta look at the antibodies. Always, Always, because 84+% of all hyperthyroid cases are, it's not just regular old my thyroid is underactive, it's Hashimoto's, and that's just not looked for enough.
Once I do see any evidence of autoimmunity I'll usually go ahead and run the [inaudible], which is a multiple tissue antibody test. Where basically we are looking for what tissues are being attacked and destroyed. People get really caught up on, well I have celiac and that's a totally different thing than rheumatoid. Not really, it's more similar than not. There are things provoking your immune system to destroy your own tissue, it's just what's the weak link. We have to identify it and trap it.

Christine H.: Do you have clients that have multiple autoimmune, I don't want to say diseases, but maybe building sites? Where they have their thyroid being attacked at the same time as their pancreas [inaudible]?

Brendan V.: Absolutely. That's where I don't think clients, patients, need to get too caught up on the label, the diagnoses, it's more just understanding. This is a complex multi faceted process that's going on in my body, so what approach do I need to take to put out all these fires. There's a raging fire in my thyroid, there's a small fire in my joint tissue. Either way, we got to put out the fire. But yes the most recent, [inaudible] I ran, the thyroid antibodies were elevated, which corresponded with the blood work, blood panel, that we already did. Also like her collagen had antibodies against it. Her connective tissue being attacked and destroyed. Would any rheumatologist diagnose that as some type of connective tissues disease. Probably not, because it was only yay high, but it's still there, it's still relevant.

Kendra Perry: That's really good point. I have a big issue with conventional medicine, is that there is this huge spectrum of things that can be happening in between, of when you start having that activity in your body that your immune system goes haywire, starts attacking your system and between when you eventually get diagnosed, which could be 10 or 20 or even 30 years after that process is started. And most people aren't getting the proper blood work done. When you're talking about getting antibodies for thyroid testing, few doctors actually run that. Let's say you have a 30 year span of someone getting their antibodies checked every year, you actually might see those slowly increasing over time. At some point they get out of that "normal range" and suddenly that person gets that Hashimoto's diagnoses and it kind of leads people to believe that it happened over night. Like I was healthy and now I'm sick, but meanwhile it's actually been developing for years. It's just that our system is not really set up to detect that.

Brendan V.: One of my best success stories, best clients and also really good friend at this point. You can't go through an intensive healing process without getting close. She first came to me, like Oh I just want to do [inaudible] testing and I'm like, "Hi, who are you, why". She had told me, "I was diagnosed hyperthyroid 11 years ago, I was put on Synthroid, I took myself off Synthroid, I feel awful." The very first thyroid test I did, she had never had antibodies tested and the first one we did he TPAO was over 1,000.

Kendra Perry: Whoa...That's crazy.

Brendan V.: Literately it only said over 1,000. It didn't go any higher. So I don't know, it could've been 1300, for all I know.

Christine H.: That's insane.

Brendan V.: That is the perfect example of like, we know statistically 84% of all hyperthyroid cases are Hashimoto's. She got diagnosed 11 years ago, this is a forest fire that started beyond 11 years ago. 11 years ago is when she got diagnosed with hyperthyroid. Which really means the autoimmunity has been gone on since birth, 20 years, it's been goin on for a long time. I was the first person to access the wild fire. The beautiful part we put her on a functional, root cause protocol, we dropped those antibodies from 1,000 to 300 in 8 weeks.

Kendra Perry: Oh, Wow, that's crazy.

Brendan V.: Yeah, Insane.

Christine H.: Let me ask you a question. If you have some people you know are super sick. Their body is weak, they might have done tons of detox's, which might not happen [inaudible], because we talked about it last [inaudible], we talked about how detoxification can be dangerous if you are not fit and you don't know what you are doing. I have a lot of friends who are very weak. They come in, their body is not in the best of shape and I know if I push them too hard, it would be too much.
So how do you handle that? When you have someone you can see that their body is going from beyond struggling to actually being super exhausted and about to just throw in the towel anyway?

Brendan V.: That is one thing that kind of makes it a little bit hard. You've got to be working with someone that really knows what they're doing, because...I don't know, on the one hand the functional integrative whole space industry, there's a lot of beauty in the fact that it's not monopolized. Because anything that gets monopolized gets corrupted. At the same time it also means that it's harder to know, can I trust who I'm working with, how do you qualify? Like somebody who really knows their shit. I know, for me, I like the nitty gritty complex people.
One of my current clients, who is Lyme, mole, Hashimoto's, everything is wrong with her. It's like we got to take it one step at a time, and when I'm looking through her initial testing, I'm looking for every indicator that might tell me her body's not ready for x, y or z. Such as like, everybody loves giving people glutathione, because glutathione detoxes everything. You give glutathione to the wrong person, at the wrong time, you will destroy them.
Kind of like with remineralization, you can't just start releasing a ton of toxins or heavy metals into the system, if their body is not prepared to conjugate and detox those. It does, it gets pretty complicated.

Kendra Perry: I love how you just said remineralization, you probably saw me light up. I love talking about minerals.

Brendan V.: We get to nerd out in like t-minus one month.

Kendra Perry: I know, I know, me and Brendan are doing a webinar together for Functional Diagnostic [inaudible] Mineral Analysis. I'm really excited about that.

Christine H.: That will be awesome.

Brendan V.: That'll be really good. I had to say it I knew you'd light up.

Kendra Perry: Yeah, I'm like, let's talk about minerals, but no let's not talk about minerals. Let's talk about toxins because I know, obviously we live in a world where we're getting exposed to heavy metals, chemicals, pesticides, all this crap, drugs, all this stuff. I feel it's a bit hard sometimes to convince people that this is actually playing a major role in what's going on with you. Maybe sometimes I wonder if it's playing the biggest role.
Can you speak a little bit to that and how metals and chemicals might play a role in somebody's autoimmune condition.

Brendan V.: I agree, I think that is probably the biggest offender that is probably driving a lot of this. We don't really have, we're in that early stage right now, where those of us, really it's only the Functional Integrative field that is leading that charge. Because that's what we do, we're the nerds that are trying to figure out, what thins are affecting our health negatively. What can we do to fix that. Period. That's the name of this game [inaudible]. I think the chemicals and things like [inaudible] electromagnetic fields. I've had the pleasure of hanging out with our friend Laura Adler and our friend Nicholas Beano, who are 2 figures who are each kind of in the nerd bubble of spreading awareness on that topic.
The chemical topic, my God, there's, I'm trying to borrow from Laura's power point presentation, 86,000 chemicals that are registered in the US, for chemical manufacturing. Basically none of them have truly been thoroughly tested for human safety. The toxicology is more about, if we give you a dose, this big, of this one thing does it immediately cause acute organ failure. That's the standard we're going off.
When in reality we are breathing in, smothering ourselves, Ingesting, thousands of chemicals, all day, every day and these things can have synergistic, compounding effects. Compound is literately to make more intense. That's what the definition of compound is. What happens when you compound thousand of chemicals in your biology that has not evolved, with these chemicals. That's where if you look at, not to go too hippy, but we got to talk about the planet too. You look at the living planet report, we've killed off, half of everything that lives on this planet in the past 40 years.
How? Well look at how the timeline adds up with chemical manufacturing. The deer outside, they don't get to filter their water like I do. I can educate myself and do something abo it. Where all these poor plants and animals, they're stuck with, I either need to evolve my organs to know what to do with all this crap or I'm going to die off. And that's what's happening. Everything is just dying off.

Kendra Perry: That's really interesting to think about and I really wonder what's going to happen to humans. I look at children's health and I think there is something to be said about general toxicity right. It's just accumulating over time. We have these kids who are born with diseases you wouldn't typically see until later in life and I think that's a huge red flag.

Christine H.: I think it was an article that said if you're a woman, actually not just my daughter, but my daughters, granddaughter, is still going to be effected by things that effected my DNA. Because you eggs are basically being influenced with that. It's not just one generation I think it's two or even three generations that are going to be effected by it.

Kendra Perry: It's so true because the eggs, it's like if you have your kid and if that kid is a daughter, it's her DNA passing on to her next child as well. So there is 2 or 3 generations in there that are getting effected by this. It's not something that's just going to go away with one generation. It's going to take a lot of work and education. Not everyone is going to up for it, I don't think.

Brendan V.: At the end of the day, maybe society is more sophisticated and complicated, but it's Darwinism is at full effect all the time. At this point, we're not evolving we're kind of devolution is really occurring. I think everybody has heard the statistic, about, you can measure 200+ chemicals in the placenta of a newborn. I feel like everybody's heard that statistic and it's true. We are born at birth, toxic and it's only getting worse.
That's weird too, a lot of these chemicals are damaging our DNA. They form these quinone and these toxic compounds that directly destroy our DNA, which then starts causing all of these mutagenic effects with our DNA and susceptibility to disease. It's nasty. I honestly hate to say it, but the more awoke you get with all this stuff, the more it's like we're all kind of fucked and we need to de-fuck ourselves.

Kendra Perry: I love that!

Christine H.: [inaudible]

Brendan V.: There's no other way to put it. People need to wake up and realize we are on a trajectory of destroying our species, destroying our planet. I was just having this conversation yesterday. In reality, we are all pretty self interested organisms. Like if an organism didn't have the inherent desire, if you want to use the word desire, that instinct to propel us into the future to continue. Nothing would exist.
The number one inherent desire of any organism, that we want to continue, we want to evolve, we want to reproduce. The health crisis, some of us are going to do what's needed to stay healthy and survive. Meanwhile the planet, the rock, that we're all just walking on is just being destroyed underneath our feet.
It's honestly a pretty bleak outlook but that's where we just gotta keep talking about it. People need to stop looking at their phone and realize what's going on.

Kendra Perry: It is cool to see, I do feel like there is a lot of organizations coming up. I do feel like there are certain things about this that are coming to the mainstream. I see certain mainstream comedies joking about being gluten free, for example. You start to see these things coming to the mainstream and maybe they're making the way into comedy, but it's a thing right? It's a movement. I think you just helped me come up with my new tagline. "Kendra Perry Nutrition, How to De-Fuck yourself."

Brendan V.: Yeah, how to unfuck your life.

Kendra Perry: I love that. Can we talk a little bit about, some of the mindset things you need to work with, when you're working with clients with autoimmune conditions. Some of the emotional stuff that is going on with these types of people.

Brendan V.: That's something I'm honestly kind of trying to navigate a better solution for, with my business motto. I feel like I need to start offering some serious psychological, spiritual based coaching because a lot of times...I look at health like a yin yang, if you got the psychology and physiology, where they are swirling together, they drastically influence one another. The physiology is off it messes up your psychology, your psychology is off, it messed up your physiology.
At the same time, if you're trying to fix all of it, it gets so overwhelming. When you're dealing with clients, patients, that are really jacked up, physiologically, but also kind of psychologically you have to pick your battle, create some separation. [inaudible]. You're exactly right the mindset is huge. That's where I think it is the responsibility of the coach, the practitioner, whatever, you got to be trained in habit based coaching and behavioral modification and neurolinguistics programing. You got to be able to navigate the fragility of the ego and navigate the fragility of their psychology.
That's some hard shit. Meanwhile you're trying to fix all the complicated metabolic shit. It's damn near impossible sometimes.

Christine H.: I just call it resilience, it's one of those hip words right now. I just say we're going to coach up your resilience. Basically it's jut tearing down their shit.

Kendra Perry: I think people tell themselves a lot of stories. I'm always like what's the story you're telling yourself about your health. I mean I've done it to, because I've had my own health journey. It's just like my energy is never good, I'm just really sick, I'm just never going to get there, it's never going to happen for me. You have to really try and unwind those stories that people are telling themselves. Also try and get people in a place of personal responsibility. I think that's the biggest thing. People need to be responsible for their own health. As coaches we are here to guide people and tell them what to do, but ultimately their health is not my responsibility, it's theirs. I think that's hard shift for some people to make. We definitely in a current medical system, there is no personal responsibility.

Christine H.: It's like here's your pill, we take care of you. Then you have people who are like, please help me, I will pay you a shit load, but I'm not prepared to not eat gluten.

Brendan V.: That's the thing, people need to realize, you manifest your own reality, through the projection of your own beliefs. Then you got to get into your own belief system. What is your belief system? I love that. What is the story that you're telling yourself. There's a crisis of victim mentality in today's society. It's not that everybody wants to be a victim necessarily, but everybody wants affirmation, everybody wants attention. We need that, we are social creatures, so we need a certain amount of societal attention and affirmation, even if it's negative like, I have this disease, I'm a victim, me to, I'm a victim. It's like are you owning your shit and are you doing something. Where as, in the clinical world, I can hold up a piece of paper, a lab test that says this is what's wrong with you physiologically. Where as, psychologically I just need to hold up a mirror and say What do you see. Let's get raw, let's get honest what to you see.

Kendra Perry: I love that you bring up victim mode, because it's such a disease. I see it a lot. Definitely when I'm screening people, when determining whether to work with them or not. If I see they're in victim mode I won't work with them because I can't help them. They have other work to do.
I recently just kicked a woman out of my group membership program, because she was just severe victim mode, no responsibility, shutting down everything anyone said. Just totally toxic, like a virus. It doesn't feel good to kick someone out, especially when you know they need help. Sometimes you are not the person to help them, they need to deep emotional healing right?

Brendan V.: That's the thing, those of us in this work are generally impavs and very empathetic, we have big heart for people. We want to help everybody, we want to save everybody. Sometimes Darwinism needs to play out. That sounds pretty brutal. The people that choose to drown in two feet of water, because they refuse to stand up, that's Darwinism. That is going to due off, that's going to fade out and those that actually choose to evolve. I'm a pretty spiritual dude and I love to kind of combine spirituality. It's just like the Frank Stark Reality of Evaluation. We're just a bunch of meat coated skeletons, walking around on a rock, falling through infinite. You gotta own your own shit, You gotta take responsibility for your reality because that's all there is. All there is.

Christine H.: I love it! How did that happen, from going to [inaudible] to falling through holes and stuff.

Kendra Perry: It's so cool though. Own your own shit. The truth is you form your own reality. I see a lot of people who don't realize that. I see those people, who I call them sols, because they just suck at life, and everything just keeps happening to them. When you actually take a deep look, you realize that they are bringing all that drama into their lives. Maybe they thrive on it, maybe it makes them feel important, maybe it gives them something to complain about or something to distract them from something else hat is going on. I feel like when I made that shift, I feel like I used to be a sol back in the day and I read a few books and started to see, I form and create my own reality. I could totally manifest a better life for myself and when I made that shift, my life got intimately better.

Brendan V.: Step 1 is self awareness, become aware yourself. Then you just start observing. It's kind of the scientific method, You watch, you observe, you make inferences, you conduct experiences. That's all it is to be successful in life. You have to study the situation, see what works, see what doesn't work, of course correct. How do I get from point A to point B. You have to start with staring at yourself in a mirror and getting pretty brutally honest. Don't assume anything, don't assume you are right about anything. You have to question everything.
We live in a world today, we all have an ego. I think the ego is a very primordial, primal, had wired instinct. The ego is a mechanism of self interested that propels us onwards to propel us to be self interested so that we can survive and evolve. But in today's world abundance and seductive marketing the ego has just been seduced and it takes over. People are asleep at the wheel and the ego is driving. And they don't know that, they don't recognize it.

Kendra Perry: That's awesome! Coming back around to autoimmunity, do you think that it's possible to reverse autoimmunity. Have you seen that happen?

Brendan V.: Absolutely, what I love about working with autoimmunity is there is [inaudible] No functional [inaudible] approach. That's what is kind of beautiful about that, there is no other way, you have to do it the right way. That's what I love. You track those antibodies. When I'm working with an autoimmune client, I know our work is not done until we get the antibodies completely negative and then we have to figure out what level of compliance does it take to sustain that. Anybody with an autoimmune condition, they should be doing the antibody testing at least annually for the rest of their life. Just to make sure, How'd I do this year, I was kind of lazy with my diet and lifestyle and self care this year, Oh crap my antibodies are up.
You're always going to be susceptible . You don't cure it, you just put it in remission and you keep it there.

Kendra Perry: I think that's a very good point.

Christine H.: I love this, I'm thinking of what else you could teach our audience, but I think we pretty much covered what autoimmunity is, what Brendan's first steps are, the testing, mindset is a huge one. [inaudible] I think that's huge. Right?

Kendra Perry: Obviously it requires a lot of work, but if people are up for it, I think there's a lot of hope right?

Brendan V.: Absolutely. It's easy to get caught up on the physiology the hard science, but ultimately you can't heal without really addressing your own psychology, your own beliefs, owning your own story, choosing to do something about it. That's something I do see a lot. You work with people who are really physically ill and obviously that has hade a huge impact on their mental health, but sometimes it is almost easier, the body is extremely complex, but believe it or not sometimes, it's easier to fix the body and the mind starts following. Even the most physically ill people, their body is usually more resilient than their minds.
I hate to say it, but their mind is extremely fragile, extremely weak. I don't say that to pic on people, because we're all born into this world, a blank slate. Our brain is the soft, wet piece of clay that is going to be malleable and molded by nature, nurture and that forms your neuro networks, your neuroplasticity, your belief system.
We are not born, and we don't choose our belief system. Our belief system is ingrained into us, from day one, from parents and society. That's what makes becoming an adult, which I've gone through in the past decade, of High I'm a child and now I'm not, what the fuck is going on.
Let me revaluate everything I think I know. Unfortunately I don't think that everybody goes through that. I think some people are consumed with, this is my reality, this is my belief system and they are closed off. They don't realize how much more there is. They don't realize that they've been confused by the smoke. That's where the book "4 Agreements", have you ever read that?

Kendra Perry: I've heard of it. I think I own it. I should look it up.

Brendan V.: Everybody should read that book.

Kendra Perry: That was actually going to be my next question, what are your favorite mindset books. What would be your go to books for practitioners who maybe want to learn a little bit more about autoimmune conditions?

Brendan V.: For autoimmunity? I'm looking at my book collection. The Hashimoto's Protocol from Isabella Wentz. Obviously, New York Times Best Seller. That's a great example right there. She is a Doctor of Pharmacy turns Integrative Functional whatever, but that's a fantastic book. Anybody with a thyroid condition should read that. It's basically lik a blueprint of all the stuff we do professionally. No I don't think anybody should try and navigate their autoimmunity without professional help. But absolutely should be empowered. The other ones would be Dr. Tom O'Brien, is the shit. His "You can fix your Brain" and "Autoimmune Solution". Great books! My stepmom is a great example. She can't just hear it from me, it doesn't work if it's coming from the son, what do I know. But they gave her that book and she's like "Oh my gosh", I need to show my doctor this. I'm like, you can, they're not going to give a fuck, but you can.

Kendra Perry: That's awesome! Brendan, where can people find out more about you? Where can they connect with you?

Brendan V.: I'm all over. I got my Metabolic Solutions, LLC. Instagram page, Holistic salvage Instagram page, Metabolic Solutions Facebook page and then of course my website, Metabolicsolutions.com. Those would be the main places, good starting point. Linkedin, I'm all over the place.

Kendra Perry: Awesome! Thank you for being here with us and having this very interesting conversation that took a few turns I was not expecting.

Brendan V.: I really enjoyed it. I'm happy to be here. I like to have good authentic, real conversations and I really think our society craves that. There is so much fake noise, that just bombards our senses all the time. So people rave that, they crave, like let's get real. I think this was a goo convo. I really enjoyed it and thanks for having me.

Christine H.: Well so did we!

Kendra Perry: Awesome, I'll see you guys again in two weeks for another awesome episode of the 360 Health Biz Podcast. Thanks Brendan and thank you to my unbelievably sexy cohost.

Christine H.: [inaudible] My internet sucks, I'm going to get a grip on that for next time. But if you learned one thing during this episode that you didn't know, just one thing, then please go to Itunes and leave us a 5 star review. Super, Super Stoked. Go over to our website, you get all the links in there, the show notes and you can also watch our video if you are just listening to us and you want to see how amazing and beautiful we all look, then you can do that too.

Kendra Perry: Okay thanks everyone! Talk to you soon!

Brendan V.: Thank you! Bye.

Christine H.: Bye!

3 Beginner Steps to Understanding a Hair Mineral Analysis Test

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Did you know that Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis or HTMA is one of the most powerful tools you can use to assess your internal bio-chemistry or the bio-chemistry of your clients?

Are you aware that HTMA is the most commonly misinterpreted test - in fact, I have hundreds of people contacting me with test results that were read improperly by their practitioner?

Today, we dive into the beginner basics of understanding HTMA results and how to determine if your practitioner is reading your results properly.

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Kendra Perry: Hello, hello there, welcome to High On Energy TV. I am a super, super excited to be here and bring to you some more amazing content on today's episode. So I am your host Kendra Perry. You can find out more about me at kendraperry.net and as always, let's talk about some stuff to help you boost your energy. And so today's episode is going to be just slightly different than what we normally cover on the episode. And the reason for that is because we're going to be talking about something that's maybe a little bit more relevant for practitioners, but I know I have practitioners in my audience. So I just want to talk a little bit about a tool, my favorite tool to use when it comes to improving people's energy. Okay. And I mean, there's a lot of theories out there about testing and what is the best test to send out to your clients if you have people who are struggling with energy.
But my very, very favorite tool in the whole world to use to help not only with energy but pretty much with any symptom that a person might be dealing with is actually a hair mineral analysis kit. Okay. So what a lot of people don't know is this is a very effective and also very affordable way to assess a person's unique biochemistry and physiology. Functional testing is expensive, right? Like if you are going to run like a GI-MAP, if you're going to get into the gut testing, into hormone testing, run something like a DUTCH, I mean, you're going to be spending several hundred dollars and especially with the GI-MAP, that's definitely a pretty high price point. You can literally spend thousands of dollars on testing, but one of the most amazing things ever is that hair mineral analysis is pretty affordable. It is probably the lowest price point for any tasks that I've ever really seen out there.
Obviously depending on where you're getting it from and who you're ordering it from. But I think that's pretty cool because my biggest complaint with functional medicine is that it's not really available to everyone. Right. When something costs thousands of dollars that's kind of a big deal. Sorry, I think my microphone is a little bit further away from me than it should be, I'm a little excited today because I love talking about hair mineral analysis, but yeah, functional medicine is amazing. I think we all need it. I think we need ... We all need to be doing testing just because if you're not testing then you are guessing, right? Everyone's different, I don't know what the heck's going on in your body. Like your the most intelligent, experienced, educated practitioner in the world doesn't know what's going on in your body unless they test.
Otherwise they're making maybe educated guesses or there may be going with their intuition. But honestly, we really do need testing in order to get that legitimate scientific information to give us a course of action and to give us a path to follow because even if you have a really well educated practitioner who maybe has some really good intuition and has an idea of what might be going on in your body, it can be really hard to commit to all the things that they're asking you to commit with if you are not 100% sold on that, that's actually what's going on with you. And especially if you don't also have a way to track that, right? Like we want to be able to follow up and know, okay, what we're doing is actually working. This is the right thing. We're seeing progress in the results or we're not seeing progress.
So what we're doing isn't working and it's not actually what we should be doing and we need to totally change course. So I can sit here on my high horse or on my soap box or whatever for the next while and talk about the importance of testing. But if you guys have been listening to the podcast or tuning in for High On Energy TV, then you know that I'm really into testing. So I really think hair mineral analysis is amazing because it is really cheap, but it gives you an insane amount of information about the body and it correlates more than any test I've ever come across. Okay. And so what I mean by that is I can look at a panel and be like, okay, this is probably what they're experiencing symptom wise and this is probably how their personality is.
So there's a lot of mood connections and personality connections based on the various mineral patterns that we see. So I can look at that and get an idea like, oh, this person is a type A personality. They probably push, push, push. They probably really busy. They probably take on a lot of tasks or I could look at that and be like, wow, this person probably feels pretty depressed. They might even feel a bit apathetic, like a bit disconnected from their emotions or kind of like they're not really feeling much in terms of ... They're kind of like that stone cold statue. Right. And so that's what's really cool about that. You can also get insight into thyroid, into adrenal health into digestion, into blood sugar regulation into hormones, into the nervous system, heavy metal, toxicity, detoxification, chemical sensitivity.
These are just amongst some of the things that we can see. I can see what if you are in the alarm stage of stress or the exhaustion stage of stress. It's crazy, it's a really cool test and I've come to love it. And I also think it is a really good standalone test. Yes, sometimes we do need to test the gut, we want to see if there's infections. We want to balance hormones totally. But if you're like, I don't have a lot of money, what is my best use of my dollars? I will tell you to do a hair mineral analysis every time, regardless of whether you have hormonal issues, gut issues, brain issues, whatever issues you could be having because the mineral system is very important. Minerals are the co-factors in every single enzyme reaction in the body.
And a lot of times they're actually the enzymes themselves. So if your minerals are out of whack or they're out of balance with each other, I mean you're going to end up with all kinds of different symptoms, right? It just kind of depends on you and what your genetic weaknesses are. So like I said this episode today is going to be a little bit more focused on practitioners and health professionals out there who are interested in learning the basics of HMA or hair mineral analysis. Hair mineral analysis is HMA. But if you are kind of a nerdy maybe you're not going to be a health professional and you don't aspire to be one. You can use the information from this episode to get an idea if the person who is reading your hair mineral analysis should be the one reading your hair mineral analysis.
Because unfortunately this test is very misunderstood and very misread and I've literally had hundreds of people contact me. I have people contacting me every week, who are like, "yeah, this is what my practitioner told me to do based on these results." And I'm literally getting goose bumps and I'm cringing because it's not right. And what they are telling that person to implement or to bring in isn't actually going to help fix the issue. And that's really unfortunate because I think it gives this test a bad name, right? Because I think a lot of people don't have a great experience with it because as practitioners it's hard to interpret and as clients we often have it misinterpreted for us. So that leads us to believe it's not accurate or it's not as powerful tool as it really is.
And your practitioner who might be misreading your hair mineral analysis, it's not their fault, don't get mad at them. There is a very massive lack of training out there on hair mineral analysis. It's actually really hard to learn about. When I started to realize its power and I realized that I wanted to bring it into my life and into the lives of my clients. I took every single training out there that existed that I could find. And every single one of those courses was very interesting. It gave some good information. It helped me maybe understand the panel a little better, but every single one of them lacked practical and clinical application. So sure, I understood what I was looking at sort of, but I didn't actually know what to do with the results or how to actually develop protocols that would help fix the situation that we were looking at.
And I was really frustrated by that. And I spent years figuring it out on my own by following various experts and listening to podcasts and going on PubMed and Google Scholar and diving into the research. And I had to hire a certain HMA practitioners that costs me thousands and thousands of dollars. One woman I was working with who is a true expert, she's one of the biggest experts in the field, but I was paying her $600 an hour to get this information from her. So it was really hard and I had to really want it. Okay. And so that's why I'm saying don't blame your practitioner who maybe doesn't know how to read your hair test, because honestly it's not readily available information. And actually that's one of my big missions is to change that. And so I'm actually going to be running a six week live practitioner training on hair mineral analysis this February.
We'll be starting February 21st and this course is going to dive deep into the primary mineral patterns that you see on hair mineral analysis, but it is going to focus heavily on the clinical application and how to actually develop the hair mineral protocols to actually help people get well. So pretty excited to teach this course. I have about 10 or 12 people signed up. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to give you everything I've got and I'm going to make you feel like an expert in HMA. And so if you are a health professional or you're just a pretty nerdy person in general and you think that you can keep up and understand this information I would love if you would join me, just send my business page a message, I'll send you the details. Yeah, I'm going to be getting the info page up shortly.
And so once that info pages up, it will be go.Kendraperry.net/HMA. If you go to it and you get an error message, it's just because I haven't quite finished it yet. I'm jumping on this really quickly. I literally decided to create this course last week when I had a whole handful of practitioners being like, I want to learn this. Will you teach it? Please teach it, create this course. So I was like, okay, I'm going to do it. So yeah, I'm kind of scrambling to get everything together, but that will be happening for anyone who's interested. And guys, if you're on with me live right now say hey, because really all I see is a little eyeball with the number five and I have no idea who you are. So give me, hey, give me a heart, give me a like.
Let me know that you're here so I can say hi to you personally. Okay, so let's jump into it guys. We're going to talk about three simple or sort of like beginner steps to understanding a hair mineral analysis task. So this is very beginner, but you need to know these first before going deeper into this test. Okay? So number one, this is really, really important and this is actually the primary way that practitioners actually misinterpret this test. And that is they read it as it is. And what do I mean by that? Well, they just look at it exactly how it is. So they're like, okay, you're high on this, so you're eating too much of this. Stop eating foods with that in it. Okay, you're low in this. Okay, you need to eat more of this.
That's actually a huge mistake because the hair is an excretion, right? So this is minerals that are being pushed out of the body and we need to interpret, this is where all the big interpretation comes in. Why is it being lost? Is it being lost because your body has too much of it. You're over consuming it. You have too much of it in your life or because your body can't hold onto it because there's something else going on with some other mineral or vitamin that is causing it to be lost and pushed out of the body. Okay. And so listen carefully when I say this, okay. The mineral system is dynamic. Every mineral has an effect on every single other mineral in the body, either directly or indirectly. Okay? So you can't look at one mineral in isolation and just be like, oh, calcium is high.
Stop eating calcium and that'll make your calcium go down. That is the biggest mistake with hair mineral analysis. And that's a big reason why it's misinterpreted, especially when it comes to magnesium. Because high magnesium typically indicates actually a loss of magnesium. And isn't actually high magnesium in the body. So that person more than anything actually desperately needs magnesium like needs magnesium or they need something to make it more bioavailable. But that practitioner might be telling them, oh your magnesium levels are good, so let's start pulling magnesium out of diet because it's actually too high. Okay. So this is what I mean. So you really ... So if you want to get educated on hair mineral analysis, where you should start is actually learning about the various mineral relationships and which minerals are antagonists. So they decrease the absorption of the other and which are synergists so they enhance the absorption of the other.
And you might be wondering, well this sounds like a lot of information Kendra. Like where should I actually got this from? Okay. So want you to Google when you get off the podcast or the episode with me, Google mineral wheel, I'm pretty sure that we'll bring it up, but it's very cool. And let me actually see if I can bring it up right now because it would actually be really cool for me to show this to you. And maybe you would understand a little bit better. okay, that's awesome. Let's pull it up and now let's see here. Okay, I'm actually gonna share my screen guys, just gimme a second.
Okay. Can you see what I'm looking at? Let's see here, primary display, that's not it, that is something totally different. Okay. It's weird though because when I look at it, I just see an empty screen. I don't actually see the window that I have up. So maybe what I'm going to do quickly guys is I'm just going to look in, I'm going to go to my Facebook page and I'm going to see if I can actually do this populating and let me know you should actually see a mineral wheel. So if you're in the audience right now, just let me know. Can you see the mineral wheel that I am looking at because I would love to know. Okay. And so in my Facebook page is actually kind of delayed.
let me know you should actually see a mineral wheel. So if you're in the audience right now, just let me know. Can you see ... Yeah. I don't think you can see it, I don't know why that is like so confusing to me. So maybe what I'll do is I'll bring this down to my lower screen. Jenny's here. Hey Jenny. And I'll actually switch primary display.
Yeah. So I don't think you can see it. I don't know why that is like so ... That's so weird. I've actually never had this, it's like why can't you see my, that's my slack.
You can see everything, but what ... Okay, so that's not actually working. Just mountains. That's so weird. So you're actually not seeing what I'm looking at. I've actually never had that problem before, so I'm going to try to explain this and the best way that I can. Okay, so Google mineral wheel and pull up the images of what you'll see is that you'll see a big wheel, let's see here. I should also turn down myself talking on my phone. And so what you'll actually see is you'll see this big wheel and you'll see all these lines going through the middle. It kind of looks like ... I don't know how to describe it, but anyways, so what you're gonna see is you're going to see a wheel with all the various elements and metals that all surround the mineral wheel.
And you're going to see arrows on the line in between. And the arrows that push towards each other mean that those are, they're synergist and they're antagonists when the arrow just points in one way and not just towards each other, it means that that mineral enhances the mineral. So I don't think I'm explaining this very well. So let's, okay, let me try again. So you'd have this big mineral wheel and there's all the elements around it. And so let's say that you start ... You go to the very bottom, the very bottom you actually see mg, which is magnesium. And if you follow that arrow up, you'll get to calcium. And what you'll notice in the middle of the line that connects magnesium to calcium are arrows that point towards each other. So what that means is that these minerals, calcium magnesium are synergists. So they enhance the absorption of the other, but they are also antagonists.
So they also decrease the absorption of the other. So that means that in a proper levels they are synergists and they enhance each other, but if they get too far apart, they actually push quite strongly against each other. Okay. So hopefully that makes sense. Okay, so I'm going to try to find another example here. So if you go to the left, you'll see Pb. Okay. And then Pb connects to, let's see here. So Pb connects to chromium. Okay. And so PB is lead. Okay. So lead, you'll see the PB, and you'll see the line that goes to chromium and you'll just see one arrow pointing from lead to chromium. So that means that lead is antagonist to chromium which means that lead can push chromium out of the body and reduce its absorption.
So I hope that makes sense. I might be kind of butchering it. I really hope I could have showed this on my screen. It's so weird that I couldn't show that to you, but check out that mineral maybe. And you could probably get an online description of that, maybe a little better than what I can give you when we're not actually looking at it. But what I want you to ... The reason I'm bringing this up is because you need to understand the entire dynamicness. I don't think that's a word, but let's pretend it is of the mineral system. So when you're looking at magnesium and it's high, you can be like, okay, the first thing you want to think, well, is that high because it's high in the body or is it a loss? And you want to look at the other minerals, consider those relationships and make interpretation based on this.
So if you just read it as it is then that's how you're going to misinterpret it. So that's number one. Don't read it as it is when you're looking at each mineral. Consider all the other minerals. And obviously that's very complex way easier said than done. I mean this took me years to learn, but that's okay. And so number two is to focus on the macro minerals. So when you look at a hair mineral analysis, there's a lot of minerals going on. It's really overwhelming. It's really confusing. But what matters are actually the first four minerals, calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium. These are the body's primary electrolytes. They are responsible for running pretty much everything in the body. So when you are thinking about balancing minerals and what you should actually do to help this person or help yourself with those first four minerals, you should be only the implementing things as a new practitioner on those first four.
Because if you can bring those four back in the balance, a lot of the other ones will actually follow. Okay. So focus on the first four or the macro minerals. Don't get stuck down all the other rabbit holes that you can go on with all the like 30 other elements and metals that are on the test. Focus on the first four. That's gonna help bring the body back into balance. And it's going to help with detox of metals as well. Okay. Yeah, so I think Brittany just posted a link. I actually can't see what that link is. I just see it's a gift link, but maybe it's a mineral wheel, I don't know. Okay. So number three, okay is focused on the significant ratios. So sure, we want to look at each of the minerals on their own, get an idea of maybe what's going on.
But really what matters is the balance between minerals. Because if you can remember what I said initially, some minerals are antagonists and some are synergist. So we care about the balance between the minerals. So if the calcium magnesium ratio is really high, that means you have way too much calcium compared to magnesium. So you probably actually need magnesium. Even if magnesium looks normal on its own, you want to actually support that magnesium. The other thing, so there are a bunch of different significant ratios if you're looking, and the only two labs that I recommend guys are ARL and TEI. I don't recommend any other labs out there because they wash their hair samples and that will actually create great variability in the results. So stick to Analytical Research Lab ARL and stick to Trace Elements Incorporated or TEI.
And they will actually give, there's a little section that says significant ratio. So always look at the ratios. Like I said, if calcium is really high above magnesium you probably need magnesium. If sodium is really high above potassium you probably need to potassium. If calcium is really high above phosphorus, you probably need phosphorous. Of course, this is pretty basic. Obviously I don't recommend that you go out and try to interpret your own hair mineral analysis because this is something that took me years and hundreds and hundreds of hours to learn. But this will maybe help you if you are a client working with a practitioner to get an idea if what the protocol that practitioner is giving you is actually a good protocol. because if they're not focusing on the macro minerals, if they're reading it just as they see it, if they're not looking at the significant ratios and trying to balance those out, then that's a red flag.
Okay. So they probably need more training and you probably need to find a different practitioner. Okay. So I'm just going to do a quick summary of what we talked about and then I'm going to go to questions. Okay. So number one, don't just read it as it is. Don't just look at each individual mineral without taking into account the interactions with every other mineral in the body, okay. Especially the macro minerals. Okay. And that brings us to number two, focus on the macro minerals, the first four minerals. These are also called the first level of minerals, calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium. Focus on those. Look at the interactions between those. Try to bring those back into balance and focus your attention on the significant ratios, which is number three. So the balance between those main minerals. So the first level minerals especially, so you're going to be looking at the sodium potassium ratio, the calcium magnesium ratio, the sodium magnesium ratio and the calcium potassium ratio.
So those are the four most important significant ratios. They are going to be listed in the significant ratios. Okay. So I'm going to go to questions now. Hopefully that wasn't too confusing. I'm really disappointed I could not bring up that mineral wheel. So Ellen says, "Hey, sent to question regarding fasting perhaps to tease to get minerals. Does that process work at all, or a bad idea also bad bugs and dark lines with the salted water protocol, never had that in my life. Thoughts?" So Ellen, I think these questions are related to maybe a protocol you're going through in high and energy, in which case you should direct those into the membership program so that I can better take a look at what you're actually asking me because I think it was in regards to something I told you within the membership program.
So definitely make sure to ask those same questions within the membership program and then I can help you better because I can spend a little bit more time focusing on your question. Okay. Awesome guys, thank you so much for joining me today. Remember if you want to go through my clinical training for hair mineral analysis, I'll be running that the 21st of February as a live six part training with live Q and A sessions in between. Is going to be super comprehensive. I'm going to make you feel like an expert in HMA.
So if this at all interests you as a practitioner or maybe just someone who is super nerdy and wants to dive deep into this stuff and doesn't know, you are intimidated hanging out with a group of nerdy practitioners, then definitely send my page a message. Let me know you're interested. I'm going to be confirming all the details by the end of this week, and I'll have the info page up shortly, which will be go.Kendraperry.net/HMA. If you get an error message, it just means I'm not done yet, but my plan is to have it done by Friday. All right guys, thank you so much. Thanks for hanging out with me today and I'll see you guys next Tuesday for the next High On Energy episode. Bye.