The 3 BIG Mistakes Women Make When Trying to “Balance" their Hormones
“Balanced hormones” is a trendy couple words these days. Everyone and their dog is telling you this balances your hormones and that balances your hormones!
If you actually want to “balance” your hormones…make sure you aren’t making these BIG mistakes..
Hello. Hey everyone. How's it going? How is everyone doing today? Welcome to another fantastic and opposite episode of High On Energy TV. I am your host, Kendra Perry. I am the high energy nutritionist, and I cannot wait to help you get more energy. In today's episode, episode number seven, we're going to be talking about hormones and what are the three biggest mistakes that I see women make when it comes to balancing their hormones.
The word balanced hormones is a little bit trendy these days. I think like every woman and her little dog is trying to balance their hormones. But what does balancing your hormones actually mean? It may not actually be what you think it is. If you're wandering, "Well, hey Kendra, I came on this podcast to get more energy. Why are we talking about hormones?" Well, because you actually need to have balanced hormones to have good energy.
Your hormones are the chemical messengers of the cell, so that means that they tell your body what to do. They basically are like, "Do this. Do that. Do this," and your tissues are like, "Okay." If they are not balanced, then they're running around giving the wrong messages, maybe they're giving outdated messages, or maybe they're giving partial messages, so your tissues are like, "I'm sorry, what? Can you please repeat that." In the end it can actually really affect how we feel on a day to day basis in terms of our vitality, in terms of our energy, in terms of our mental clarity.
I want to talk today about the three biggest mistakes that women make when they want to balance air quotes their hormones. Number one, and this is a big one, this is one I see all the time. The first mistake that women make is that they try to balance their hormones by taking bioidentical or synthetic hormones based off of the blood tests that they're getting from their doctor. Big mistake. Why? Well, let's talk a little bit about blood testing for hormones.
Yes, blood testing for hormones is accurate, but it doesn't really give us a good comprehensive picture of what's actually going on with hormones deeper in the body or at a tissue level, because hormones, what they do is they affect cells at a tissue level. So we want to know what they're doing there because if we don't know what they're doing there, then I don't think it's very effective to actually be employing bioidentical hormone therapy or synthetic hormone therapy if you actually don't know what's happening on a cellular level. With the blood, when you test hormones in the blood, what you're seeing is kind of an overall total or basically you're seeing hormones that are in transit.
When hormones are in transit, they're actually inactive. They're tied to transport binding proteins, and they're not ... They're inactive. So they're just moving around. But we don't know. Like when hormones are in the blood, we have no idea if they are going somewhere to be used or maybe they're going to be detoxed. So it doesn't really give us this overall picture. If you have been taking hormone therapy to try to balance your hormones based on blood tests, you might be throwing your hormones further out of whack, you might actually be causing damage. This is something I see quite a bit.
The test that I use to run hormones is The DUTCH hormones test. It's from a company called Precision Analytical. Very cool test. But it will actually show you what your tissues have available to use in terms of hormones. I see this very often. I actually had a client recently who was found to have low estrogen on a blood test, but when we looked at her DUTCH test, her DUTCH urine hormone test, what we saw is that her estrogen was through the fucking roof. It was like off the charts.
And that my friends is dangerous. That my friends is a precursor for estrogen dominant cancers. You do not want to have estrogen that high. Estrogen is a very important hormone, but when it gets out whack, when it gets too high or excessive, it can cause DNA damage to your cells, it can cause tumor growth, it can be very much implicated in a lot of those estrogen dominant cancers. I was like, "Holy crap. You need to stop taking this bioidentical," whatever it was, the estrogen. I can't remember if it was synthetic or natural, but both ways, I was like, "This is not appropriate."
Another situation that I've seen. Recently I had client, so did blood testing, was found to have low DHEA in her blood. So she started taking DHEA, but when we looked at her DUTCH test, her estrogen wasn't high, but the way she was metabolizing it was a mess. There's two phases of estrogen metabolism. There's phase one and phase two and both phases were poor. Even though her estrogen was within a lab range, because she was metabolizing it really poorly, that is a really bad situation to be taking something like DHEA.
DHEA if you don't know, is the precursor, so it's the building block for estrogen, and it's actually contraindicated, meaning that you don't want to use it when there's estrogen dominance. Even though her estrogen was normal, it was out of balance with progesterone and then she was metabolizing it really poorly. She was like, "I felt okay, and then I took this DHEA and like my health went off the records. I felt horrible, all these symptoms developed." She's like, "Why is that?" I was like, "Well, because you're estrogen dominant and because you're poorly metabolizing estrogen, so you're basically," by taking that DHEA, she was adding fuel to the fire that was already there and burning. So this imbalance was already there, but the DHEA aggravated it and it made it worse.
If you are considering taking bioidentical hormone therapy, wherever you are in your life, in your hormone life, whether you're premenopausal, perimenopausal, or postmenopausal, you should not be taking that without doing something like a DUTCH test. I would say a saliva test at a minimum. But even that's not quite good enough because we can see what the free hormones are doing on a saliva test, but we don't see the metabolites or those break down products. Like I said, you could have normal in range estrogen, but if you metabolize it poorly, you're going to have all those symptoms of estrogen dominance and high estrogen.
This is a really big mistake that women make. This is something else. I'm going to go off on a little bit of a tangent here. I just want to mention something else, is like the fact that I think women think that after they go through menopause that they need hormone support in order to be balanced. I feel like the medical community has spent a lot of time telling women that they cannot make their hormones like progesterone and estrogen naturally after menopause. The ovaries make hormones and then of course they shut down at menopause and then you're up a creek with no paddle. You have nothing. You have no organ making your hormones.
But this actually isn't true. Your adrenal glands make hormones. Yes, menopause is a big transition. Yes, even in the healthiest people like you should notice that shift. It's not like you just don't notice this massive shift happening in your body. But it shouldn't be unpleasant the way that we think is normal. I think that we think that when women go through menopause, they're going to gain weight, they're going to have hot flashes, they're going to have night sweats, they're going to have all this weird shit going on, and we're just like, "Well, that's normal, because now we don't have hormone production." But if your adrenal function is strong and you put the work into balancing your hormones within the proper way before going into menopause, then you actually shouldn't need bioidentical therapy, hormone therapy, or any sort of hormone therapy at all. Those hormones should be working fine, and you should go through that transition with relative ease, obviously like noticing some stuff going on, maybe a few things are going to pop up because it's a big ... this is a big shift in life.
Yeah, I just wanted to mention that. I feel like the medical community has spent a lot of time fear mongering women into the fact that they need to be taking hormones in menopause, and that's not always necessarily true. Yes, it can be helpful when monitored properly with something like a DUTCH test, but it's not a guarantee that you're going to need hormone support. If you can keep your adrenals healthy, then you shouldn't need that at all.
So that's number one, is number one to recap is the big mistake that women make is they take recommendations for hormonal therapy, so like bioidentical hormones, synthetic hormones based on blood testing only, which typically is going to lead to more imbalance because the blood testing doesn't give us enough information to even be able to responsibly employ something like hormone therapy.
Mistake number two is women look at their hormones in a vacuum and they fail to see the deeper underlying causes. You know when your dog gets a cut or like, and they have to put that big plastic thing around its neck so that it doesn't lick its cut. That's what I see a lot of women doing. They're putting that plastic funnel thing on, or what is it? Yeah, I don't know what it's called, those plastic like funnel thing, and they just see hormones, hormones, hormones, and they don't actually see the landscape, everything going on around them that is affecting those hormones.
The most important thing, if you want to balance your hormones, you need to stop thinking about your hormones. I know that's weird and confusing, but that's because hormones do not go out of balance on their own. They don't just one day be like, "I'm going to stop working," or, "I'm going to work too hard or less hard." They are very much affected by everything else in the landscape of the body. If you are like, "I want to balance my hormones. Kendra says run a DUTCH test. I'm going to run a DUTCH test. And then I'm going to get my protocol from Kendra and now I'm going to follow that and that's going to balance my hormones."
That actually won't balance your hormones. That's going to help support your hormones. It may reduce the symptoms, but running a hormone test by itself does not go deep enough. You might get some indications as to what could be going on in a deeper perspective on a DUTCH test. I can typically see if there's gut issues, if there's inflammation, if there's detox issues on a DUTCH test, but you need to go deeper. Running just a DUTCH test alone with nothing else isn't going to fix the issue because it's not going to give you that deeper root cause approach.
Testing is not cheap. It's expensive. If you are going to spend your money on testing and you don't have buckets of money growing on your money tree, then I probably wouldn't even recommend running the DUTCH. I would actually recommend running a gut test with a mineral test or at least one of the two. Because the cause of imbalanced hormones is typically stuff going on in the gut but also in the mineral system.
Minerals can directly affect the hormones. You've probably heard me talk about copper. Copper will stimulate estrogen production. A lot of women have estrogen dominance and then they're taking things like DIM, they're taking Calcium D-Glucarate, they're taking all these estrogen lowering herbs and supplements, and they're taking them for a really long time. Yet when they retest, the estrogen hasn't shifted. If that's the case, it might be being driven by a copper issue. It could, the estrogen dominance can be being driven by iodine deficiency. There's actually a nerdy little calculation I can do on a DUTCH test to get an idea if somebody is iodine deficient.
In terms of the gut, so hormones are activated, they are downregulated, they are upregulated, they are created, they are destroyed in the gut. So if your gut is unhealthy, then you may not be able to make hormones properly. Maybe you can't ... A precursor for all your fat is or for all your hormones is dietary fat, but if you have gut issues and you can't break down dietary fat, then you might not be able to make hormones properly, therefore you might have low hormones. If your liver is sluggish, you may not actually be able to move hormones out very well and so those hormones recirculate.
Gut bacteria plays a big role in estrogen dominance. I see that all the time. You need to take your little funnel collar off and start looking at the hormone landscape because if you're only focusing on hormones and running hormone testing and taking stuff to address the hormones, you won't get any results. You won't actually balance your hormones. You may help your symptoms, but the issue that's causing those hormones to go out of balance, you're not going to be really addressing that. That's number two, is looking at hormones in a vacuum and not seeing the deeper root causes.
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Number three, three, the third biggest mistake women make when trying to balance their hormones is not addressing the detoxification of hormones. This kind of like this is a little similar to number two because the detoxification system is in the gut. The liver, the gallbladder do a lot of detox activities, and so do the enterocytes of your stomach.
Mary is here. She says, "Hi Kendra." Hi Mary.
The cells that line your stomach actually do more detox activities than your liver. I don't know why the liver got so famous and is the one that gets all the street creed for detoxification, because there's way more cells and organs in your body that do even more detox than your liver. We need to consider the detoxification piece.
Francine is here. Hello Francine.
Because when it comes to hormones, if you have something like estrogen dominance or androgen dominance, maybe you're producing too much testosterone, you have PCOS, or you have estrogen dominance, you have fibroids, you have endometriosis, something like that, or even cortisol that's too high because that's a hormone too, you might have cortisol that is too high, or DHEA that is too high, or maybe we have too much insulin, we have to be thinking is our body actually clearing these things because I think automatically our brain is like, "Okay, so I've high estrogen so my body makes too much estrogen," but it may be that your body makes a totally normal respectable amount of estrogen but it's actually just not getting cleared properly, so it's just not getting detoxed and moved out of the body. So it's recirculating.
That's an issue because hormones carry that message. If you remember, hormones are the chemical messengers of the cell, and they need to be cleared after they've given their message. After they head to the tissue and they're like, "Yo tissue. This is my message," and the tissue is like, "Thanks hormone. I'll get it done," that hormone it needs to go. It needs to get out of the body because it was created carrying that message and now that message has been given to the tissue, it's outdated, it needs to go. But if that hormone can't be cleared, then that hormone with the outdated message is still running around all the tissues being like, "Yo tissue. This is my message," and the tissue is like, "Oh, okay. I thought we already did that, but I guess we need to do it again," and now you end up with all this weird, these weird symptoms and weird malfunction because literally you body is getting all these mixed messages, all these kind of weird messages that aren't actually accurate or appropriate anymore. That can lead to a lot of issues.
Hormone balancing very much should be a detox program. There should be, like if you're thinking about embarking on a hormone balancing program with your doctor, with your naturopath, with whoever you found on the internet who knows a lot about hormones, there needs to be a detoxification thing in there. When I say detox, this is not just like, "Oh, I bought my 10 days wild rose cleanse and I did it for 10 days, so I'm detoxed. That's me. My name's Kendra and I'm detoxed. I have no issues with detox." It's not just that. We have to always be thinking because hormones are continually being created, our detox organs are continually feeling stressed out because we put a lot of crap, we give them a lot of crap, we're like, "Hey, like detox thousands of these chemicals that we get exposed to on a daily basis." We need to be thinking from a daily perspective is like what are we doing to help ourselves detox.
And maybe my three favorite ways to think about detox, bile is a big part of it. I think we should always be taking something to support our bile. I think we need to be taking something to support fiber. Certain fibers are really good, great binders. They will help move toxins and outdated hormones out of the body. If you have hormonal imbalance, if you have androgen or estrogen dominance, increase your fiber intake. Eat more veggies. Take something like psyllium husk or flaxseed, ground flaxseed. In terms of increasing bile, eat your beets, eat some dark leafy greens, have a small cup of high quality organic coffee in the morning, drink dandelion tea, any of those bitter foods are really fantastic bile stimulants.
And then finally, make sure you're eliminating. You need to be pooping every single day. If you're not pooping every single day and it's not a good well-formed poop, that's an issue. You are not eliminating properly and those toxins aren't going to be able to leave the body. Basically if you're not pooping, you've got to make yourself poop. It doesn't really matter how you do it. There's a bunch of different ways that you can use to stimulate a bowel movement, like taking high dose magnesium, or ascorbic acid, or making sure you're drinking enough water, drinking very salty water. There is a thing as a salt water edema. Don't drink too much, but definitely making sure you're getting enough minerals and sea salt can be very helpful. If it comes down to it, it may be that you need to give yourself an enema.
I've had clients that were so blocked up, they were only pooping once a week, and nothing we did actually helped them eliminate better. So we had a lot of gut work to do, but in the meantime we had to get them pooping. So I have these people doing a water enema or a coffee enema every single day because otherwise those toxins were not getting out of their body. You need to be eliminating and if you have to go and do that manually with an enema, that's okay. You just need to make sure that you are pooping.
Let's just quickly recap guys. Let's go over this one more time. The three top mistakes women make when trying to balance their hormones, number one, they're taking bioidentical or synthetic hormones based on information from blood testing only. Remember that we don't get enough information about hormones when we simply just look at the blood. You could actually make your hormones even more imbalanced and more out of whack by following this strategy.
Number two, we look at hormones in a vacuum or we're wearing our plastic funnel collar, you know those things that dogs wear, and we're only seeing hormones and we're failing to see the landscape around it which is always going to be issues in the gut and issues in the mineral system.
Then number three, we're not detoxing. If you want to balance hormones, you need to be thinking about detoxification, not just once a year in your 10 day wild rose cleanse or three week master cleanse or whatever detox program protocol you found on the internet. We need to be daily detoxing. We need to be thinking about bile, we need to be thinking about fiber, and of course my favorite, we need to be pooping.
I hope that was helpful guys. Let me know if you have any questions if you're on with me live right now. Happy to answer them. Typically we do these on Tuesday on Facebook Live, but this week was a bit crazy for me so I'm a little bit delayed, but we're going to be back on schedule for next week.
Remember guys, every ... the last Tuesday of every month is my Live Q&A that I do on my Facebook page. So if you have questions, you can send them to email@example.com. You can send them to my assistant. Or you can message them to my page, Kendra Perry Nutrition Facebook page, and I will answer them on live, or you can be extra awesome and you can actually just join me live and ask them to me live on air. That is going to be 4:15, 4:00. 4:15, 4:15 I think, 4:15 on Tuesdays ... So next ... Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm confusing myself, but next Tuesday we're going to do 4:15.
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I hope you guys have a great day. Thank you everyone who joined me live. Thanks Mary. Thanks Francine. Thanks Crystal. Hope you guys have a fantastic Thursday. Bye now.
5 THINGS WE WISH WE KNEW AS NEW HEALTH COACHES
This episode is our top advice for new health coaches to have health coach success and getting started as a health coach. There is so much we wish we new when we were starting out like how does one go about making money as a health coach, how to create health coaching programs, how to make money online, how to become an NTP or even how to make money as a fitness coach.
Kendra: Hey, hey, everyone! Welcome to another episode of "The 360 Help Biz Podcast", I am Kendra Perry and I am back from Costa Rica. I missed my beautiful co-host Christine, so we're pretty stoked.
Christine: Likewise, my sister.
Kendra: Hello, hello. We've been apart and it was very sad but we're back and we'll be back together for the next bunch of episodes, so don't worry neither of us are going anywhere. This episode I'm really excited to talk about, I think we both are because this is kind of like the hindsight episode. You know how everything is always more clear in hindsight? And we want to talk about some of the things we wish we knew when we were starting out as health coaches, so maybe that it well help you, the new health coach learn from our hindsight.
Christine: Yeah absolutely. It's also diving into our reason for starting this podcast in the first place and basically it's going to save you lots of time and money. It's a good one to listen to even if you've been in business for a long time. Sometimes we're just really great at having blind spots. [crosstalk].
Kendra: You know I'm really bad for not listening to my own advice. Sometimes I have an epiphany and I'm like, "Why am I doing that? I'm telling everyone not to do that and I just realized I am doing this." You know it's good to check in and remind yourself that-
Christine: You have to be on track.
Kendra: Before we get started I just wanted to read, we did get an awesome five star review. It was from "Anonymous", so if you want to leave us advice make sure to leave us your name so we can give you a shout out. This one is a quick one, it just says "Thanks, Kendra and Christine for all the amazing content that helps building a health coaching practice less overwhelming."
Christine: I love it.
Kendra: Thank you, Anonymous, we appreciate it. But yeah, we will read your five star review that you leave us on iTunes on air because we appreciate it so much because it's the best way to help us get out there and reach more people. and if you want to support us that's probably the best thing you can do.
Christine: Absolutely. Please go ahead there right now. You can press pause and just leave us an amazing review, and just say "This is a great show." And recommend it, or just say "It's great." Doesn't matter. [crosstalk] Just hit pause now and do it, it would make us very, very happy, genuinely.
Kendra: Very happy. Very happy. Like all warm and fuzzy inside.
Awesome, and so we actually do have a freebie for this episode. So, if you guys want to download that after the episode, you can just get that at 360healthbizpodcast.com/episode16. You can grab that there, and one more thing, we started an Instagram account and we only have 40 followers so far. We need more followers, so go follow us on Instagram if you're an Instagram person. We're posting our episodes, we're giving you lots of help and business tips there, our best stuff, so definitely give us a follow and let us know that you're there. Send us a DM or leave us a comment.
Christine: Yeah, and if you're wondering how we're doing all of this, stay tuned, we're going to give a behind the scenes to all our posts at some point. I'm not sure when, but at some point. And I cannot believe it's episode 16, it's crazy! How's that happened?
Kendra: I know, we're kind of rolling along here and it feels really good!
Christine: Yeah, no it's really good, and it's going to be even better. Especially today's episode, everyone. So, shall we get started?
Kendra: Yeah, lets get started. We're going to be talking about five things that we wish we knew then, that we know now, right, Christine?
Kendra: Yeah. And so, I think when you're starting out, it's overwhelming. You don't know where to focus your attention, you hear people talking about all these different things, and in the end... I know, me personally, I spent a lot of time working on things that I never did anything with, you know what I mean? That were kind of pointless, or I eventually realized didn't really matter.
Christine: Yeah, yeah.
Kendra: Just weren't really what I should have been focusing on.
Christine: And I think we're both very similar, in terms that we both love the online space, and we have the "shiny object syndrome", where we go after really good [search pages, right]? Especially at the beginning when you don't know what a search page is, what "copy" is, how you're craftily manipulated into things, it's just really easy to spend so much money on crap you really don't need. So, I think we're going to talk a little bit about that, and how we felt, how we've fallen- and still fall for things. I admire a great copy, it gets me every time. But I think we can help you a little bit by prioritizing what you really need and what you probably really don't.
Kendra: Totally. And the first one we're going to talk about actually may surprise you, because I think this is a cycle a lot of people get themselves into at the beginning, and it has a lot to do with imposter syndrome, I think.
Number one is your education, your health coaching actually matters less than you think it does. You're probably like "What the fuck, ladies? What do you mean, my education doesn't matter?" Yes it matters, you want to go get that education so you know how to be a health coach, but you don't need more education to get clients. And I think a lot of us in the beginning, we're like "Oh, well I just need to take this other course, I need to take this course in this, and this, and this, and then I can go out and get clients."
Christine: Absolutely. I think you need to be very clear on what your mission is, what level of difficulty you want from your client, but if we stick to the basics, a lot of people were unfortunately just raised in a very unhealthy environment, they don't have any good education. I always caught my clients who didn't know that they were sugar and ketchup, right? It's tomato [inaudible] So, I think you need to know what you want to do. But if you want to be a general health coach, you don't need to know all the bells and whistles of the body, you know? You know enough with your health code certification, obviously you need to look where to get certified at. But if you have a decent school, you know more than enough to help your normal, average person get much, much better by just using common sense most of the time.
Christine: And using your coaching skills and keeping them accountable. That's all you need. You do not need a gazillion billion other diplomas.
Kendra: Yeah, you don't need all those fancy letters behind your name. You love health, you're going to upgrade your education as you go because you enjoy it, but it shouldn't prevent you from going out and getting clients. Because the truth is, people don't choose to work with you based on your education, they choose to work with you because they like you, and they trust you, and they maybe see their story in yours. They think you have a cool personality, and you're fun, that's why they decide to work with you. It's not because you have 30 letters behind your name.
Christine: Yes. And I think you need to know what the level of your expertise is going to be, who you want to serve, and also nothing is going to trump the success that you will see with your clients. No course is going to give you the confidence that you would get after working with a certain number of clients in changing their lives. Doesn't matter if you spent 10k on the bells and whistles course that is giving you all the templates that you will need, if you don't have the experience working with clients and changing their lives.
So, having said that, Kendra and I have extensive education on different things. I think it's also because we choose to deliver at this certain level, and we also know that we choose a target audience that has more issues than your average person that wants to get healthy, that needs the support. So I think you need to know about that, you need to be clear, but even still, nothing has ever been as educational as working with people. By far I think the eye opening moment for me was this year in August 2018 when I went to the Mind Share conference, a conference where you have loads of really famous health people like Dr. Aaron Christensen, Jamie Jo Bergen, Izabella Wentz, all of these people, Mark Hyman was there. Big, big people in our industry. But what I learned is that they're all people. They're literally all people, so it's really important to stop thinking that you need to have a certain appearance somewhere, a certain matter that is going to elevate you to a certain status that is going to bring you more clients, because that's not what it is, it's the results.
Kendra: Yeah, and I love you bring that up, because obviously we get a bit nerdy on this podcast, we talk about some pretty nerdy stuff, but we do work with more complex cases. My typical client is the person who's been in and out of the medical system for 20 years, they already eat healthy, they're eating paleo, they're eating organic. They do yoga, they meditate, they're doing all the right things, but they feel like a pile of poo. So obviously I need a few more tools to help that person, over your client who's like "What? Ketchup doesn't have sugar in it? Huh?" Kind of a different clientele. And when you're starting out it's okay if you just want to take the basics, work with the people who just need to learn "Oh, going to bed at 3am is not healthy? What, Froot Loops for breakfast, that's not fiber?"
Kendra: You know, there's a big variability between who you might work with, and you want to know obviously who you're working with, and that brings us to our next thing that we wish we knew was to narrow down and get a niche. Because I know when I started out, I did try to go too general. I made a lot of "Five steps to take your health to the next level" and the stuff that doesn't really resonate with anyone.
Christine: No. It's true. Yeah, I think it's very scary, but truth be told "Health coach", what the hell? It's so bland and boring, and I know I'd probably be offending a lot of you, I don't really care because I know what works and I know what doesn't in the end. I've tried the whole thing, and it's definitely that the more niche you get, every marketing expert will tell you this, and it so counterintuitive, but it's absolutely true. You will be known for something, you can still take on other people, because people will notice that you can work on other things, and they will get in touch with you.
But especially, whether you are local or whether you're online, let's face it: Google is your best friend, and niching, that's what's going to get your clients. My organic reach is 80%, 80% find me from typing in "see expert" into Google. That's priceless, but if you type in "health coach" there's no way you're going to come up. Niching is scary, it's sometimes not clear, there are so many processes, and in that case I do advise that you work with someone who can bring you that clarity, because we sometimes don't see, what is it, the trees through the forest? The forest through the trees? I don't remember.
Kendra: Something like that.
Christine: So, sometimes it will help there. But for sure go with the niche. It might absolutely vouch for advice. If you've ever been doubting, go with niche.
Kendra: Totally. And we dug pretty deep into this, in I believe it was episode 3, our "Niche or Not to Niche" episode, so if you are still struggling at this point in your business journey, definitely go back and listen to that episode, because we kind of walk through the steps and dig a little bit deeper into it. You need to figure out who you're helping and think about what those people are searching for.
They're not looking for, like "I'm looking for a health coach to help me with my health." They're not searching for that, they're looking for "headache relief", they're looking for "Why is my stomach so bloated?" They're looking for "Why the fuck am I so tired all day?" That's what they're searching for. In Google or YouTube, wherever it is, in all their search engines, so you need to capitalize in all those search terms, and you can't do that when you have a really general topic and you're trying to help everyone. We mentioned it in that episode, I know we talked about how it's not a death sentence, it's not like "This is your niche and this is what you have to do for the rest of your life." Right? [crosstalk]
And I just did this in my business, I just recently switched from "female hormone imbalance" to "fatigue and energy" because my interests shifted, and you can totally do that. Just try to pick something that you want to stick with for six months, maybe a year, and then see how things go, you might discover other niches within that niche, right?
Christine: Exactly. And I think that's where the Golden Ticket is finally happening, when you know exactly "That's the type of client, so I get the best results." That's how they tick, that's how they work, whether it's men or women, whether it is within the category of men and women, an age group, a certain type of person, position, whatever it is you're golden.
Kendra: Yeah, totally. And you just gotta do it. You've got to rip the bandaid off, and yes it's scary, yes you feel like you're going to run away clients when you're desperate for clients, but it'll make everything easier. It'll make your copy easier, your marketing, your videos, everything you do within your business to try to get clients, it suddenly becomes more easier when you actually know who you're talking to.
Kendra: And I was very resistant to this in the beginning, too. So I know how you feel, if you're feeling that kind of itchy, scratchy feeling right now, I felt like it too, but once I figured out who I was talking to things started to flow a lot better.
Christine: Yeah, and get in touch with Kendra, she's had that experience. I was a little bit unclear on it but I think we're different in that type. I would say get in touch with either one of us that you think is going to help you, if you need a little bit more "kickass", maybe it's me at this point. If you need someone who really knows the struggle, then it's Kendra, but get in touch with us. Send us an email, connect with us, we're normal people. [crosstalk]
Kendra: Totally, and I work with lots of practitioners that do a lot of practitioner mentoring in both the nerdy functional lab testing interpretation stuff, but also the business stuff, ultimately our conversations always go to business.
Kendra: Because people are always wondering "How do I get clients, how do I make a go of this? How do I quit my side hustle and make this a full time gig?" Right?
Christine: Yeah. We're kickass coaches, really good ones.
Kendra: Yeah, and I love the next one we're going to talk about, because this is one I always have to- even currently now- check myself on, is that your vanity metrics don't matter.
Christine: Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, sorry!
Kendra: I think we swear on this podcast, I think we're good. [crosstalk] I think we only dropped like 3-6 F-bombs
Kendra: F-bomb count: Ding, number three, we should get a bell!
Christine: Yeah, five cents in the cookie jar.
I love that you call it "vanity metrics". Who cares, it's so old school and I still remember this one person who's been contacting me a couple of times, still for a summit where she insists on getting my list, I'm like "Why? It's so antiquated. Who's you're coach, were they like 2005-2008?" It's so old school, what worked in 2013 is not working today, and I think it's like, your numbers, unless you have a very specific campaign, it doesn't matter. I have a teeny tiny list, and I convert a [muhhfuckas]
Christine: [inaudible] Right, and I only have two sets of courses or so a week, and so it's totally fine. So, yeah, I love that because it can give us an inferiority complexus, as in "My list is tiny, my Facebook page doesn't have a lot of followers." Let me tell you, a couple of years ago Facebook was promoting pages, it sent so many people there, stop doing that. It has nothing to do with you or your popularity, everything to do with the algorithm. There's so many different factors, platforms that shift that numbers, indeed, don't seem to really express anything.
However, I find it doesn't hurt to sometimes invest for a short period of time in companies that can help you in a legitimate way, and in a way that is in alignment with you, build a certain following base on a certain platform. It doesn't need to be 20k, it can be 6k or 5k, and it's impressive enough for if you want to have media, for example, to go and look at your Instagram account and say "Okay, at least she's got 4,000 followers, that's more than your average person." You can find people that do a really, genuinely good job without spamming you or having fake accounts online, and I think that sometimes when you have a good income already, it's [then a good way] to sometimes spend money. It's definitely not something you need in the beginning.
Christine: But as you are in the middle of the career, it might be a good idea when you budget, what you're going to focus your marketing money on during next quarter, or during second quarter or third quarter, that you say "For one quarter I'm going to focus on that." For example.
Kendra: Totally. And I think in the beginning, you might have 200 followers on social media, maybe you have 50 people on your list, but don't look at it like "I just have 200 followers and I only have..." treat your list and your social media following as if it were thousands. Really try to get that mindset going, because the truth is 50 engaged email list subscribers is way better than 500 people who don't give a shit- ding! About what you're doing and about what you're saying.
And you don't need, I think this is a really good piece of advice, I know in the beginning I felt really overwhelmed, I'm looking at these other people out there who have thousands and thousands of followers and I'm thinking that I can't make money or I'm not going to be able to get income until I get that amount of followers, but you can actually have a very successful and a very profitable business with a very small list and a very small following. Me and Christine are great examples of this, I generate six figures, I have 2,000 people on my list, I have 1,600 on Facebook I think I have 4,000 on Instagram, it doesn't matter.
Christine: No, no.
Kendra: It's because those people like what I'm saying, I nurture them, I treat them like humans. Remember, followers are humans, they're not just numbers. I can have a five figure launch with a 2,000 person email list.
Christine: Exactly. And I have, I've talked with [inaudible] who was a coach of mine, and she has a tiny list, I think it's also not 500 people, not even. And she just had $170,000 launch, or, yeah, a $70,000 launch that she didn't spend any ad spend on. So everything's possible, and I'm not in love with my list, I'm very honest about it, but I just need one person to convert and it's a 10k day.
Christine: Don't plan on the number of people that you have on there, and communicate with them.
Christine: Ask your client, if they do, tell them "I'm appreciating it, and the etiquette last week, and the protocol, converting to clients, there we go." So, I'm not the one who's having a gazillion billion files, or anything like that. I find that is also something that we spend way too much time on, having the perfect [email] sequence and all of that, I find that it's not necessary. It can help if you have a product launch or anything like that, but anything else, if you're consistently showing up and you show them who you are, you don't need a $10,000 dollar [email] sequence that you pay someone for, you really don't. Just be honest.
Kendra: Yeah, yeah. Just love the people you've got and really appreciate the fact that they're there, because when I look at people who are buying something from me when I launch something, it's the people who've been on my list for years. They may not even show up that much, they might not reply to the emails or even comment on my page, but I know they're there, and they're the ones who buy because they're holding on to me, and it's not even a big group of people in the end. It's like this group of people who are my number one fans and they always buy, every time I release something they buy from me. Right?
Christine: Yeah. And I would even advocate to get rid of the rest. I purge my list religiously every two months, where I go through any people who have been inactive for three months, I delete them. Any unsubscribes, I delete them. And I also send out emails at least twice a year where I'm telling them "Do you still need me, yes or no? And please unsubscribe if you don't." And I literally tell them that. Please unsubscribe, and something that I would recommend there is the "nine-letter email". Where you don't have any formatting, you literally just say "Hi, I'm just wondering if you still need my services. Christine." And then you can do a "P.S. If you don't, please unsubscribe." Or you just leave it.
And then you can see, people who don't react, delete them. They don't need you. They're a waste of space on your email list, they cost you money, it's giving you skewed data, it lowers your open rates. I just get rid of them, I delete them, they're not going to buy from me.
Christine: Because in the end a lot of people, especially at a certain price point, they are either in or they're out. And the hackless, we don't want them.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. And I mean it's scary to get rid of those, I remember at one point deleting 1,700 people from a 3,000 person list. And I was like "This is over half my subscribers, but they weren't opening my emails, they weren't high-quality leads, so there was no point in them being on there. And it does affect how your email provider views emails as spam, if you're sending out emails and nobody's opening them, Gmail is like "This person's sending out spam." So they will choke hold your open rate, so be aware of that, and it's true like Christine said: Generally you're paying for the more subscribers that you have on your list, you don't want to be paying for people who don't give a shit about you, or what you're saying. And it's scary but it's all about engaged followers.
There's a woman that I follow, I'm not going to say "I have such a crush on her", but anyways, she has a really small list. I think she has 4,000 people on her email list, and she has multiple six figure launches with 0 ad spend because that's how engaged her people are.
Christine: Exactly. And I find you need to work to your strengths. I'm not a writer, so my [inaudible] in the meantime I don't even write them anymore. I'm going to write the next one because it's going to be a [inaudible] email, but in general it's not me who writes them, because I don't like writing. My medium is speaking, I don't like writing so I'm not going to expect my email list to convert like a motherfucker, because I don't really put that much love into it because I don't like Dammit. I don't like writing. I want to tell you guys as well, stick to your zone of genius. Writing is making your eyes glaze over or spin around, then don't do it, then don't put more energy into it. It's negative energy that you can use in your zone of genius, whatever that might be. Maybe writing is a zone of genius, then put extra effort in there.
I think it's really, really important, but the old message of email marketing being the one and only tool is definitely over, and I know that people who have this golden age of infusion software where you have a list of 50-60,000 people and stuff are really struggling because Gmail is ruthless.
Christine: It's a real struggle all the time to figure out the algorithms and they hire multiple people to figure it out, which is costing them again.
Kendra: A lot of money.
Christine: So keep it simple, people.
Kendra: Yeah, keep it simple, love the people you've got, love the shit out of them. They're listening to what you say, change that mindset around! Ungh! I saw some thrusting over there, Christine.
Christine: I'm loving you guys, oh my goodness.
Christine: Get on there, go to [inaudible] dot com. I'm loving it.
Kendra: It's so funny, but yeah, you've just got to have that mindset. Look at them, and like I said, remember they're humans, they're people, they're not just numbers, they're not just metrics, they're not just statistics. They are humans and if they like what you're saying, they're reading all your blog posts or watching all your Facebook Lives or whatever, that is sweet. That's a good follower and that is someone who is going to eventually buy from you when you have something to sell.
Christine: Yeah. Agreed. Alright, what do we have next?
Kendra: Number 4: Don't reinvent the wheel, learn how to repurpose content. And this was a really big ah-ha moment for me, because when I started out, I was creating unique content for every single platform. [crosstalk] Instagram, it was just ridiculous. I remember the first time I was like "Oh, repurposing content." I was like "Oh my god, how did I not know what that was a year ago?"
Christine: Yeah. And I think we have to say thanks to how amazing Jamie Palmer for that, right?
Kendra: Yeah, we did an episode with her, it was episode 2 on repurposing content, she has a really great content repurposing strategy that I know you implement in your business, Christine, and I actually work with Jamie in her agency so I know they're doing it for my social media. But really all you have to do is create one high-quality of content like every week or two, like for me, I'm like you I'm not really into writing, I don't care for blog posts, I'm good on video.
So I do a lot of Facebook Lives, I take my Facebook Live and then I transcribe it, I put it on YouTube, I pull the audio from it, it goes into a podcast, and then Jamie and her team they actually pull little blurbs from that video and the they put it on Facebook, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Instagram, and I turn that video transcription into something for my email list, as well.
Kendra: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Christine: That's exactly the same process I use. I literally only do the Facebook video, that's all I do, the whole rest is my assistant who takes over. She does all the rest, it's a very simple system, it takes a little bit in the beginning to learn, but not that much, and now she's done, in literally an hour she's done. And I've seen numbers in this case, I think my organic search went up from 56% to now 80%.
Christine: Just because you are everywhere, and it's no effort. I literally just do that video, I love doing them.
Kendra: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Christine: Once a week is not too much, you could even batch them if you wanted to.
Christine: I'm not very good at that but sometimes I do, I know you are.
Kendra: I'm super into it! It's changing my life.
Christine: So you do whatever calls you. I'm a spur of the moment person, I never script anything, or I don't have [inaudible] notes, very individual. But no matter what, repurposing, it's a golden thing.
Christine: And also, you don't need a new piece of content every year or month. I have a very particular schedule of what I see that I've done this year, doesn't mean that I'm not going to use the same topic next year. Because you get the same questions over and over again and truth is people are not going to scroll through all your blog posts all the time, they're going to that top five.
Christine: So you can talk about the same topic, and you will have other clients who have had the same issue but dealt with it differently. You have learned more, you've experienced a lot more, so don't think you'll be boring. And we've talked about that, I always feel like I have a mug coming flying toward my forehead when I use the word "cortisol" because I think I use it too much, but it's just not true! I'm like "cortisol", ugh, people are going to chase me with sticks. It's really not true, I'm talking about it in this weeks episode, actually. It's not true, it's in your head. It's literally just the voices in your head that aren't true.
Kendra: Yeah, and I love what you're saying there, don't be afraid to repeat yourself. You are going to repeat yourself, you're going to say the same shit over and over and over and over again, but- ding! But it doesn't matter because not every person is following every single thing that you do, they're not reading your Pinterest posts, your Instagram your Facebook and reading your blog posts and going on your YouTube channel, they're not. They're seeing bits and pieces of it, but they also need that repetition, that's actually really important, you kind of need to hear the same thing a few times for it to stick.
I'm the same way, when I say "detox" when I say "mineral imbalance" when I say "metal toxicity" I'm just like "Oh man, people are so sick of hearing me talk about this", but they're not. It's so funny, the people I have in my membership, I feel like I repeat myself so much even within my small membership, and people are like "Oh my god, every time it's so interesting." And I'm like "Man, I just say the same shit three weeks in a row and they think it's the best." Because yeah, people need that repetition, and not everyone is remembering every single thing that you said, right? [crosstalk]
Christine: And you say that people get different things out of it, that's just the way it works.
Kendra: Yeah. So I think that's a big one, you can't reinvent the wheel, you can't make new social media content for every social media platform and then go totally cray-cray and burn yourself out, and then you get to the point where you're like "I'm out of ideas, I have no ideas left." You can reuse the same content, I've made a Facebook Live on the same topic probably like five or six times.
Christine: Oh yeah.
Kendra: I've spoken about it in a bit of a different way, maybe taken a bit of a different angle, but really when it comes down to it, it's the same stuff.
Christine: I mean people ask you all the same questions all of the time.
Kendra: Mm-hmm (affirmative). That's true.
Christine: You notice it when you do interviews, it's the same question all of the time, and it's just like "Okay, how can I make it more spicy?" It doesn't even matter.
Kendra: Yeah. Just be okay with repeating yourself, right? Groundhog Day all day, every day. You know that movie? [crosstalk]
Awesome, and I love our final hindsight tip because it's about outsourcing, it's about not trying to do everything yourself, and yes when you're a solopreneur in the beginning and maybe when you don't have a lot of money, you are going to be doing a lot of things yourself, but we do encourage you to outsource just one thing. Because there is something that you suck at, that you absolutely suck at. Maybe it's graphic design, you just make these shitty, clunky nineties images and you're like "That's not nice." You can actually find someone for super cheap to do that for you.
Christine: Yes, and I would argue that that money is going to return to you so quickly because of two different ways; number one: It's going to free up energy. When you do something that's out of your zone of genius it drags negative energy out of you. It makes you twice as tired as anything else. So you're not going to spend that energy on something that is in your zone of genius that would actually give you energy instead. So that's number one.
Christine: The second thing is, it's a mindset thing.
Christine: When you go and you consider yourself as a business, even if it's a freelance [inaudible] employee, you've raised your vibe, you've raised your authority, and you're a proper business. You're not a haggler, you're not a hustler, you're like "I am the boss of my business, and I treat it as a business." And you will appear that way, people who want to work with you will see that, you will have a different vibe around you and when you say "My assistant will do that", it is a different ballgame. Most people now don't even communicate with me personally anymore, it's my assistant who does everything. I have an executive assistant, I have a speaker agent, most companies don't even get to talk to me until I fly to the gig. It's just a different ballgame, right?
Kendra: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Christine: And you need to step up to that. I find the time where the solopreneur is wearing a gazillion hats, like 17 is not even enough, it's just "Why?" It's not a sign of intelligence not to outsource things, because it's not an impression of price, it's totally affordable. Especially things that are draining you but can easily be outsourced, like processors, graphic design, transcriptions, other things we outsource, everything. Scheduling posts, answering typical questions from your website, sending out scheduling links, I don't even schedule anything anymore. My assistant looks at other people's scheduling links and does it in my calendar. So things like that, you don't need to do that, you really don't.
Kendra: Yeah, and really think about what doesn't make you money because those are the things you should be considering outsourced. What are the things that you need to be doing? Obviously if you do video you're not going to outsource video, if you are your brand and you need to get in front of people, you're going to be doing your video, but you don't need to be doing the transcriptions, right? Transcriptions you can get done really cheap. And I know you use Fiber, Christine. I use UpWork a lot, and I love UpWork, and it's probably the same as Fiber, people have profiles, they have reviews, comments, you can see their history you can view someone who you think is a good fit.
Christine: I've used both, I've been massively screwed by UpWork, like 750 bucks worth.
Kendra: Oh, no.
Christine: Because I didn't quite get the system and I had a really dishonest person there. So I'm a little bit bitter towards UpWork, but I'm just too thick to use it. I don't understand all the plans they have, so I'm staying away from it. But it doesn't matter, there's another platform, I don't remember the name, but yeah. Those are the main ones, you can find them in Facebook groups, if you look for "Virtual assistant" in Facebook you will find groups where they hang out. In any Facebook group you can ask for references, "Who's your virtual assistant, do you like them, don't you like them?" There's agencies you can use, I know there's one in Australia called Automation Agencies, they are like a concierge service where you pay a certain amount per month, and then they do all of those things for you.
So there's lots of different options and lots of different price ranges. You can't always go with a country like the Philippines and have a very cheap one for data entry. At the moment I do a lot of research so I have people that if I wanted to I could outsource there, just to go through [exercise] and pull out names and email addresses and things like that. But there's different levels, I find.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly.
Christine: I do always find something. And test them out! Don't be afraid to say "It didn't work out, sorry."
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. And I think that's the biggest thing, give them a test project and then see how it goes. Because you don't need to stick with them if it didn't work. I've definitely had my share of experiences with outsourcing and I've had some that are just terrible, and I've had some that are awesome. But it really helps, I have a group membership and I want to be giving them good recipes every month, but I'm not going to make recipes. I love to cook but I never right down my measurements, so I have a woman who's a professional chef, and she gives me 10 recipes every month.
Christine: Yeah. Deal.
Kendra: And then I give them to my group and they're awesome, people love them and they feel like they're being made specifically for them from this professional chef. And I don't even see the recipes, they get sent to my assistant, she posts them in the Facebook group and people get stoked on it.
Christine: Love it.
Kendra: And when you're new it's definitely overwhelming, it's this money thing, you don't have clients yet, you're not generating income, but there's still something. There is something that you can spend, maybe you're just going to spend 5 to 50 bucks on it but it's going to make your life so much easier, and you're not going to regret it. That money, like Christine says, is going to come back to you.
Christine: It will!
Kendra: Because if you want to grow quickly, if you want to make money and start turning this into a full time gig if it isn't already, you need to be focusing on things that make you money. Which is getting clients, marketing yourself, talking to clients, working with clients. It's not customer service, it's not graphic design, it's not admin, it's not bookkeeping, it's not making recipes or whatever. Depending on what your niche is, maybe it is making recipes.
Kendra: If that's what you're doing.
Christine: You can buy so many Done For You programs, Rachel Feldman is someone who has amazing Done for You programs for health coaches. Definitely recommend her, I love her. Good investment when you get started and you think you're overwhelmed, it's all done for you, you can tweak it and customize it, go and check her out, I adore her. That is definitely something that you can do, also just a side note, money is just money.
Christine: It comes back to you. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing. It's just a thing.
Christine: So don't freak out when you invest it, it's going to come back. It's just a thing.
Kendra: It will be there.
Christine: Yeah. Because you will have that time, the way you spend 20 minutes a pro, who's a VA, you pay them five bucks, they spend two minutes on it, it's better than what you did, and those 20 minutes you might have a meaningful conversation with someone who then likes you and is going to pay you 5,000 bucks.
Kendra: Yeah. Exactly. I think money is just like this energetic frequency, and I'd love to do an episode, we should do one on "money mindset". Because I feel like things for me really start to shift when I started dealing with my money shit. Because we all have weird beliefs around money, it's this weird thing where we want it, but we almost feel dirty about wanting it. Especially when we're making our money helping people, we feel like we want to help people but taking their money doesn't feel as good as helping them.
Kendra: So I think we bring a lot of weird money shit into our relationships with our clients, with our business, and when you learn how to shift that, that's honestly where the magic happens. That's what I think anyway.
Christine: Exactly. Your business grows from the inside out. Your inside out. It's the most magical sentence that once you get it, it will change your business. Yes, we will have to get a couple experts in here about money mindset. Kendra and I, we both have done massive shifts this year.
Kendra: Oh, yeah.
Christine: I'm not the same person I was six months ago. My prices have 10x'd, 100x'd, actually. I have my old pricing on another partnership side and someone got in touch with me today, "Are you still charging this?" I was like "Fuck no!"
Christine: Ding.[crosstalk] You have to take this down because this is no longer true, it's now like 10 times the amount.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah definitely. And I think it takes time to work through those blocks, but we'll definitely get some experts on here and talk about it because I really think that's a huge thing, is really learning how to have positive, happy, productive thoughts about money.
Christine: Yeah. It's great, I love money.
Kendra: I love money, too. I want all the money.
Christine: It's brilliant stuff.
Kendra: Awesome, well that was awesome. I'm glad we talked about some of the things we wish we knew and we do have a freebie for this episode. You can get it at 360healthbizpodcast.com/episode16. And it's going to include all the five things we talked about today, plus five more. So it's going to include 10 Must-Know Tips that you need to know as a new health coach. Or even as a medium health coach, someone who's midway in their business, these are things we need to keep reminding ourselves about so that we don't forget. Because sometimes we suck at taking our own advice.
Christine: Yeah. And leave us feedback on your biggest "Wish I had known." So if you're a more seasoned health coach or mid sized and you think "I have some experiences to share", come over to our Facebook page, find the link and it's Facebook.com/360healthbizpodcast and leave a comment below this episode and let us know what was your biggest "I wish I had known" moment. We love to read that.
Kendra: We would love to because we all have them, right? I think by sharing that and having that conversation it helps everyone else who's still in that beginning mode making all the mistakes that we were making too, right?
Kendra: Awesome. Well that was fun, Christine!
Christine: As always, it was lovely.
Kendra: Lovely, good to be back, and we'll be back again in two weeks time. And remember, we're a broken record with this, leave us a review! Leave us a review on iTunes, it helps us get out there. If you want to support the show that is the best way to do it.
Christine: Thank you.
Kendra: Just by giving us your positive feedback. And that helps us know that you want more from us, and we will give it to you.
Christine: You want more? You get it! I love where this is going.
Kendra: I know, me too.
Christine: Alright guys, thanks so much for tuning in, check out our website 360healthbiz.com you'll find all the information in there, our show notes, our links, our freebies, everything you need. And if you want to get in touch just shoot us an email.
Kendra: Awesome. Bye Christine.
HIGH on Energy TV Episode #6: Which Diet Works - The Science of Weight Loss
According to the science, what is the most effective diet for weight loss?
Today we dig deep and nerdy into the science of weight loss. What diet is best?
Is it low-carb? Low-fat? Keto?
Plus, what to consider when the scientifically-proven weight loss diet doesn’t work.
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Hello, hello, everyone. Welcome to another awesome episode of High on Energy TV. This is episode six, and my name is Kendra Perry, for those of you who might just be meeting me for the first time, and you can find out more about me at KendraPerry.net. And today, we are diving into a topic that I know a lot of people love to talk about. We are talking about weight loss, but what we're gonna do is we're gonna get a little bit nerdy today, and we're gonna actually dive in into the science of weight loss, and we're gonna discuss, when it comes to the scientific research, what is the scientific research actually saying about the best diet for weight loss, because there is a lot of bad information out there. There are a lot of fad diets. There's a lot of books that are promising you a lot of really big results.
Hey, [Maryanne 00:00:51], welcome.
They're promising you all kinds of things if you just do this or do that or follow their program, but what does the science actually say, because I think it's a lot less complicated than people think. And then, we're also gonna talk about what to do when the scientifically proven diet for weight loss doesn't actually work because this happens. Just because you are following a specific diet does not guarantee weight loss and this can be really frustrating. I totally get it because I've been there. I've been the person on the healthiest diet of anyone I knew, following that scientifically proven diet for weight loss and not getting results, and that's when we need to dig a little bit deeper and so we're gonna be discussing that as well today.
So welcome, everyone who is on Facebook Live with me right now. Say hi. I know Maryanne's on here. I know we have a few other people. But all I see is just an eyeball and a number sign, so I don't actually know who's here. So if you're here, say hi. Feel free to introduce yourself and say hey, because I love to know who's here.
Okay, awesome. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna start by talking about some of the most common theories of weight loss. And probably the one that is known the best is the calories in, calories out theory of weight loss, so let's discuss that. So this theory of weight loss is the one that we're all familiar with. I feel like we're told this most of our lives.
Oh, we've got [Pardese 00:02:29], [Peardese 00:02:30]. I think I'm butchering your name. I hope I said that right. But hi, welcome. I haven't seen you here before and I'm really glad you're here. Okay, so calories in, calories out. I know that I was told this most of my life. I remember in high school reading Cosmo magazine and I knew that I always needed to eat less, and a lot of my high school experience was actually spent trying to lose weight and trying to restrict calories and eat less, which is crazy looking back. I'm sure when you look back at photos of yourself in high school you're like, "I was fit as fuck. Why did I think I needed to lose weight?" But honestly, I think I was just doing it because all my friends were doing it.
And so, basically, the theory of calories in, calories out basically is based on the law of thermodynamics, so it basically means that you need to bring in less energy than you expend in order to lose weight. So, basically, this is the eat less, exercise more model. So you wanna take in less calories and you wanna burn more calories. So the problem with this is that people automatically assume that when they bring in less calories than they consume, they're automatically going to lose weight. But this doesn't usually happen, and let's talk about why.
So let's talk about what the science says about what's actually going on when you actually start to do this method. So typically, if you start restricting calories and exercising more, there is a very good chance that you are gonna lose weight but this weight loss only will happen initially. And then, at some point, something happens. Weight loss comes to a halt. You plateau and then you slowly start to gain it back. And in some cases, you gain back extra weight. Nobody wants that. That sucks.
So why is this? So there's actually three metabolic adaptations that are happening when you decrease your calories consumption, and part of this is due to the fact that your body is always fighting against weight loss. This is an evolutionary thing. In the environment before we had fridges, and 7/11s on every corner and we didn't have access to food when food was a scarcity, our body was always trying to gain weight. It always wanted to prevent yourself from actually losing weight, because if you lost weight you could starve to death. So a lot of physiology, a lot of the information in ourselves is really, really fighting against losing weight.
So let's talk about those three metabolic adaptations that happen when you start restricting calories. So number one, it decreases your thyroid hormone. Now, the thyroid is a butterfly-shaped gland on your neck and it's actually the main regulator of your metabolism. So when your thyroid hormone decreases, ultimately, so does your metabolic rate. So as thyroid hormone becomes less, as your thyroid hormone slows down, your metabolism slows down. So that is one of the three metabolic adaptations that happens when you follow the eat less, exercise more model of weight loss.
Number two, it will actually breakdown muscle, and muscle is more biologically active than fat. So that means, when you have less muscle, ultimately, you have less ability to actually burn calories. So the eat less, exercise more model does tend to lead to muscle breakdown.
Number three, it actually causes fatigue. And so, this happens because your thyroid is slowing down and that actually decreases your energy levels. So when you have more fatigue, you slowly start moving less and sometimes this is very gradual, and sometimes this happens without you even realizing it. So we slowly ... our metabolism goes down. We start burning muscle. We start having less ability to burn fat because we have less muscle, and then we are slowly getting more tired, so we are starting to move less, and less and less. And this can be very gradual, and this doesn't happen immediately. This might happen a year or so after you get that initial weight loss, and this is a big reason why there that big fat statistic out there that tells you that 95% of people who lose weight will gain it back, maybe plus more, within a year. And we know that, because if you look at ... if you guys are familiar with the show The Biggest Loser.
Okay, so this is pretty popular TV show. Maybe you know what I'm talking about, but it's basically a TV show where they take overweight people, they put them through an exercise program with a trainer and they restrict calories, and they lose a bunch of weight and then they choose a winner. And I believe that every single contestant of The Biggest Loser, with the exception of I think one, has actually gained all the weight back that they initially lost and sometimes even more.
So that's a pretty big deal, because that is ... The Biggest Loser is the epitome of the calories in, calories out model of weight loss. The other thing that happens, so this is fourth thing. I know we talked about three but there is a fourth thing that happens, is when you start restricting calories your body's like, "Okay, well, we need to get more calories in," so your body actually starts messing with your hormones. It'll increase your hunger hormones and that will actually lead to you craving more food. So as over time, you're slowly exercising less, you are also slowly starting to eat more as well.
So if you guys are on with me live today, say hey. I know there's a few of you out there. And just let me know, give me a thumbs up if you're familiar with this. Have you seen this happen to someone you know? Has this happened to you? Let me know. If I was sitting in the audience right now I would give a thumbs up in the comments because this has happened to me multiple times in high school and in my 20s when I was thinking that this is what I needed to lose weight. It was also what I thought I needed to do to be healthy, because I associated being skinny with being healthy, so I thought by restricting calories I was actually keeping myself healthy. I also was living in the '90s and early 2000s where I was totally afraid of fat. I thought it was really bad and everything I ate was a low-fat processed produce. So I was doing myself a lot of disservices at that time. Totally clueless about nutrition and health. But hey, when you're young, sometimes you just don't know.
So the reason that this approach to weight loss actually fails is because, like I mentioned, the body is actually fighting fat loss. Like I said, this is a very normal thing. Of course, our body wants to fight fat loss, because in the real world, out in nature we wanna carry as much weight as possible because food is scarce. So if we were hunter/gatherers, humans living outside of the industrialized world that we live today, we probably wouldn't be able to be overweight because we wouldn't have that much availability to food.
So why does the body fight against fat loss? Well, it's an evolutionary thing. We talked about that. But there's also this thing called a fat loss setpoint. And so, anyone who's on the cutting edge of weight loss research is talking about the weight loss setpoint.
Okay, so Nicole says, "Hello. Yes, my body crashed after being put on an 800 calorie diet." Oh, my gosh. That is so low. That is crazy. I actually can't believe someone would put you on a diet that low. That's barely enough calories for normal metabolic function, so no wonder you crashed. Totally crazy. There is some really crazy theories out there about what you need to do for weight loss. And if it's restricting calories to that point, it's not a safe thing to do.
Okay, so let's talk about the fat loss set points. So this is biological mechanism that is designed to keep your weight stable over time. So no matter how many calories you burn, your body is always fighting its way back to that setpoint. So that is a big ... the big part of this. So your body has this setpoint, whatever that is, and that can change over time but your body's always fighting to get back towards that. So a big part of weight loss is figuring out, well, how do we lower our weight loss setpoint? And we're gonna talk a little bit about, today, about some of the things that actually interfere with the weight loss setpoint and make it so that that setpoint keeps getting higher.
So when it comes to calories, so if we know that if we restrict calories that we can't lose weight, does that mean that we shouldn't consider calories? Does that mean that calories don't matter? And I think there's two big platforms out there. There's the people that are like, "Calories matter. You absolutely have to restrict them to lose weight." And then, there's the other people who are telling you that calories don't matter, just eat good food.
So what's the truth? Well, the truth is calories actually do matter, but the research shows that if you count them it won't help you lose weight. So this is probably like a WTF moment. You're like, "What the fuck? Kendra, what are you talking about? What do you mean? So I need to ... Calories matter. I need to eat less calories. But if I count them, it's not gonna lead to me losing weight, at least in the longterm? So how does that even work?"
So this is a bit confusing but we're gonna ... let's dig into this. And I just wanna say hi to Kristy. She says, "Hello. Having PCOS, it's difficult to keep weight in check and get what I need." Yeah, so there are hormones that can fight against this. I know with PCOS there is a big insulin resistance component. Your body typically has a really hard time breaking down glucose, breaking down blood sugar. For some reason, the elevated androgens really push that insulin resistance. And then, in turn, the insulin resistance pushes the elevated androgens that drive the PCOS. And so, we'll definitely talk about that in a later episode because PCOS is a big piece of energy, weight loss. It plays a big role in those various systems of the body. So we're gonna definitely dive into that in a future episode.
So the key to losing weight is to eat in a way that naturally lowers your calories without you actually counting them or trying to lower this. And so, this is actually a really big reason why people tend to lose weight on a low-carb diet. It's not because it's low-carb. It's because naturally, when you tend to eat low-carb, you need to replace the carbs with something. Typically people are going to replace the carbs with protein. So they're actually eating a higher protein diet and that's actually what the research actually says, that the best diet for weight loss is a high protein diet. Why is that? It's because protein is very satiating. It's very energy dense. It raises and lowers your blood sugar more slowly. So actually, pretty important for someone who has PCOS to eat a high protein diet.
So a high protein diet naturally makes you eat less, because it fills you up more and it gives your body a higher nutritional need. So all this big low-carb fad out there that says you need to go low-carb for weight loss actually has nothing to do with it actually being low-carb. It's just because, naturally, when people go low-carb they tend to go higher protein. And when the research actually compares low-carb to low-fat, they get pretty much the same results for weight loss. It's really all about that calorie restriction, that natural, non-counting calorie restriction, but also that higher protein content.
So how much protein should you actually be eating in a day, because this is important. And when I work with women, typically what I'll get them to do is use the free app, My Fitness Pal, and get them to track their protein for a week and see how much protein are they actually eating in a week. And what I see in a lot cases is woman aren't eating nearly enough protein.
So what you wanna do ... So the range for daily protein consumption ranges from about .4 to .7 grams of protein per pound of body weight. That range really depends on your activity level. If you are a sedentary person, maybe you don't move around in a day, you have an office job like me, or you run an online business, or you're just ... you're not ... you don't have a lot of movement throughout the day, and then you're not doing really intense exercise. Well, probably, you're gonna need protein on the lower end of that. Whereas, if you have a physical job, I used to work in forestry so I was in the bush, running around the forest all day long. And so, in that case I needed higher protein in a day. Or, maybe you're a professional athlete, or your someone who goes to Crossfit every day, or you exercise intensely on a regular basis, well, you're probably gonna need on the higher end of this.
The reason why I tell you to use an app, like My Fitness Pal, [Foodjacate 00:15:20] is another good one as well, is because 100 grams of chicken doesn't have 100 grams of protein. And so, chicken has some fat in it as well, so it's not gonna be just 100% protein and that varies a little bit depending on the type of protein you are consuming. So you do need to track that for about a week and just get an idea of where your protein is at.
Typically, when I recommend protein, I do recommend high-quality, grass-fed, organic, local if possible, animal products because they are significantly higher in protein than vegetarian sources. There are some things out there that have a really good protein profile for vegetarian sources, spirulina is a good example, so is hemp, but it is really hard to meet those protein requirements if you are consuming a plant-based only diet. I'm not saying I don't believe in a plant-based diet. I do believe in a plant-based diet but I do think you need some amount of animal protein in most cases. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule and there are some people who do thrive on a vegan diet. I just don't see it very often. So I recommend high-quality animal protein. And what you'll see is that your protein requirement for the day doesn't actually require you to eat a ton of meat, and it probably doesn't require you to eat meat every day. It's just, maybe, a few times a week and then you top that up with the vegetarian sources of protein.
So I talked about, before, that fat loss setpoint. And if you wanna lose weight, the biggest thing, and you wanna lose it for the longterm, you really gotta work on lowering that fat loss setpoint. And so, let's talk about some of the things that cause that setpoint to malfunction. So number one is what's called high reward food. So these are food that are really easy to consume a lot of. They taste really good. They're addictive. They make you wanna eat more. Yet, they have very little nutrition or minerals. So this is that processed food category. So this would be things like chips, or crackers, or ... I'm trying to think, nuts and seeds can be a bit of a high reward. Because typically, when you get nut or a seed, it has a shell and you have to hack that shell open. And so, if you had to hack open a shell of every single nut you ate, you probably wouldn't eat that many nuts. But if they de hauled, so they've got the shell and the haul away from them, you can just consume them, consume them, consume. You could sit there and eat a thousand calories worth of nuts in a 20 minute sitting because they're easy to consume.
So these high reward foods have been processed, so they have a lot of the minerals and nutritional components stripped of them. The thing that's left is the really digestible and consumable and addictive carbohydrates. So a bag of chips is really to consume. You could probably eat three bags of chips. But if you actually had a potato, how many potatoes would you actually be able to eat? Maybe you'd be able to eat one, maybe two potatoes and then you'd be super full because there's starch in that. There are minerals. There are nutrients. There's all these different things in a potato that makes it really hard to eat potatoes for an hour straight, but I bet you could eat chips for an hour straight. So those high reward foods actually do mess with the weight setpoint. And this is a big reason why processed foods need to be removed. Any healthy diet removes these type of foods.
The other thing that messes with weight setpoint is high food variety. So this is eating tons of different foods at once. So think of, you go out for a fancy dinner. Maybe you have bread to start, and then you have an appetizer, and then you have a main course, and then you have a dessert, and then you have a cocktail in there, or something like that. And so, that's a ton of food variety. You've got fats, carbs, proteins. You have multiple different food ingredients. That is a lot for the body to handle and that's for a body to digest. And doing that can actually really mess with your setpoint. So simplicity really wins when it comes to a good weight loss diet. So you wanna stick to simple foods. And when you look at traditional foods, typically, they're eating the same food over, and over and over again and it's just ... it falls into just a few categories.
I'm not telling you to eat the same food over, and over and over again, because that might make you really bored. But you really wanna be sticking to those simple foods. Have you animal protein, your small little bit of animal protein, like chicken, pork, beef, whatever it is. If you're a vegetarian, maybe that's some tempeh. And then, you're gonna have some veggies and you're gonna have some fats, and maybe you're gonna include some legumes, or maybe some gluten-free grains in there. That would be a very simple meal and that would be a very good diet for weight loss.
The third thing that really messes, number three, with that weight loss setpoint is circadian rhythm disruption. So this has nothing to do with diet, but it's really important. This is pretty clear in the research. So if you're not getting enough sleep, this is a big thing. So not getting enough sleep in the night can actually make you quite insulin resistant and that is gonna cause you to gain weight.
So if you want to lose weight, and you wanna maintain a healthy weight, you need to get to bed at a decent time, and I would say no later than 10:30. You need to sleep seven to eight hours every single night. Things that can mess with your circadian rhythm is not getting enough sunlight, a light deficiency, malillumination, just like malnutrition, is a thing.
So if you're not getting enough sunlight, this is probably a big reason why people in the Northern Hemisphere gain weight in the winter, because you don't get sun for a bunch of months out of the year. So I do recommend, for those people, it might be worth it to get a vitamin D lamp. The one I recommend is call Sperti, S-P-E-R-T-I. It's a really good vitamin D lamp if you do live in a northern place and you don't get a lot of light for half the year. You can use a red infrared light. I have a, do I have it next to me, I usually have it right here, but I have a little red light which helps me get more light. And then, of course trying to get outside and getting unfiltered sunscreen-free natural light, and how much you need really depends on your skin tone. I have Italian heritage. I need to get a lot of sun. I'm one of those people who never burns. I get super dark and I actually need a lot more unfiltered sun exposure than my boyfriend who is a ginger, and he probably needs 10 to 15 minutes and he's good. So that will depend on your skin tone.
And then, of course, too much blue light after the sun goes down. So screens, computers, cellphones, these are a really big culprit for blue light and the big thing is because the light, the rising and the setting sun actually sets our circadian rhythm and that blue light mimics the sun of a rising sun, or the light of a rising run. So if you are looking at screens, if you're watching Netflix, if you have really bright lights in your house, you on your tablet, this can mess with your circadian rhythm. So I do recommend avoiding these types of lights in a couple hours leading up to bedtime. If you do need to use them, get those really sexy blue light blocking sunglasses. They are the orange sunglasses and they work really well.
Other things that can mess with circadian rhythm, and of course I'm bringing it back to minerals because you know I love talking about minerals, but magnesium deficiency can mess with your circadian rhythm, copper toxicity is a big one because copper stimulates adrenaline and that can keep you up at night, sodium excess, and then zinc deficiency. All these things can actually mess with your circadian rhythm. So ultimately, if you're following this perfect scientifically proven diet for weight loss, you're not eating high reward food, you're eating simple foods and you're not indulging, or over consuming, because this another thing that will mess with the weight loss setpoint, then you really need to think about minerals and metals and toxicity, and we're gonna talk about that in just a second.
So the next thing that messes with the weight loss setpoint is the over consumption of calories and overindulgence. And honestly, this can happen even when you're eating healthy food. A really important thing is to not overindulge and overeat, but you don't wanna be counting calories. But if you're eating this simple diet of wholefoods without those high reward foods, it's actually really hard to over consume food. When was the last time you were like, "Man, I really binged the hell out of that broccoli"? When was the last time you said that. You said that never, because who can ... who binges of broccoli? You just can't do it. It's just not possible. What do you typically binge on? Well, chips, or pasta, or cereal, or crackers, or something along those lines. It's the high reward foods. So if you're eating this really simplistic wholefoods diet that doesn't have those high reward foods, then it's actually really hard to overindulge and over consume calories.
The other thing that we need to mention is movement deficiency. So this is why it's so important to have regular movement, and this is something that I personally do need to work on because I'm really good for getting exercise in the morning, and then later on in the evening after my workday, but when I'm on my computer in the day I get locked in to projects, or things that I'm working on and I ... I'll just sit there for multiple hours and I know that's really bad for me. Because even if you sit all day, then you go pump it at the gym for two hours, that's not enough. If you were stagnant for that entire day, that is gonna mess with your weight loss setpoint. So regular movement is really important. So if you have a desk job, you need to set a timer and every 30 to 40 minutes you need to get up and do something. And it doesn't need to be a lot, it just needs to be something to get the blood flowing.
So something I have in my office, right over there, is a rebounder. So I have a little trampoline and I set a timer and I try to do 100 jumps every 30 to 40 minutes. So now, I'm not super consistent with this. This is definitely one of my challenges, but something like that, maybe you can't have a rebounder in your office but maybe you could do a quick lap of the office, maybe you can do some jumping jacks, maybe you can just run on the spot, but doing something for even just a couple minutes every 30 to 40 minutes is actually really, really important. If you're not doing that, that exercise, or that gym session that you have at the end of the day, or the beginning of the day isn't enough to offset the negative effects from movement deficiency from not moving on a regular basis. So that is really, really important.
So the final thing that I wanna discuss, and I've eluded this, so in the beginning I said if you are doing, so you're doing the scientifically proven diet for weight loss, which is high protein, low food reward, simple meals, and then natural, organic, all of that stuff, you're getting good sleep, you're moving on a regular basis and you are not overindulging but you still can't lose weight, you gotta think about minerals and metals and toxicity. This is big thing.
So get exposed to a lot of crap in today's world. We are the forefront of the generation that is getting extremely toxic because of all the chemicals, and metals and plastics and everything in our environment. These things are getting into our body. And once they enter the body, if your body isn't able to detox them and if you're someone who has a slower metabolic rate, which is 80% of the population, it's very hard for your body to move these things out. So the body needs to store them.
A really good place to store toxins is actually fat cells. They provide this stable matrix to put a toxin into you where it won't have a negative effect on the body, to some degree, versus it being out in the blood running amuck in the body causing all these issues. So your body will actually push toxins into fat cells. And sometimes, your body is like, "Well, I'm not gonna let you burn fat because the fat cells are full of toxins and if we immobilize all these toxins you'll probably die." So a lot of times your body actually might be protecting yourself from toxicity. This is why I think a effective detox ... or weight loss program needs to include detoxification. It also needs to involve correcting mineral imbalances, because if your minerals are really out of whack, it actually is really hard to regulate blood sugar. You may end up with lots of cravings and it may be really hard for your body to even lose weight and produce energy, because you actually need to have good energetic potential to actually lose weight.
So if this is the case, if you're at this point where you're like, "Man, I've done all these things and I can't lose weight," you wanna be doing something like a hair mineral analysis and a heavy metals panel. These are the best ways to address your mineral status, to address toxic metals in the body and you wanna work with a practitioner to go through some sort of mineral rebalancing detox program, because if you don't do this it will be stuck and I see this all the time.
And so, that's what I recommend. You wanna ... You don't wanna try to do this on your own. A hair mineral analysis is not something that you can interpret on your own. It's a very complex test. Trying to interpret tests on your own without actually knowing how to interpret them is a really good way to waste your money, so you do wanna find a mentor. I hope it's me. I hope you want me to mentor you, because I do mentor people in my High on Energy membership program. Where, basically, I give people a step by step program to help them restore their energy, help them lose weight, help them eliminate brain fog, get their hormones balanced. And then, you can access the testing as an upgrade. Hair mineral analysis, gut testing, metal panels, so that we can make that protocol customized for you because everyone's different, and my mineral imbalances are probably very different from your mineral imbalances.
So the link for that is in the show notes, or just on top of this live video if you wanna check that out. We have about 70 women so far and counting, and it's probably the most amazing community of women I have ever come across. They are so supportive and multiple times a month I bring everyone cutting edge functional health strategies to help move the needle and help them get towards their health goals. Which, for a lot of them, is losing weight and gaining more energy because a lot of people are chronically fatigued these days.
So let's just quickly summarize before we hop off today. Let's talk about what is the best diet for weight loss. So high protein, low food reward, so get rid of that processed bagged plastic food crap. Shop the perimeter of the grocery store. High protein, eat high-quality organic animal protein or vegetarian protein, if you don't eat animal meat. Make sure to include some fruits, some vegetables, and if you are eating nuts, seeds or grains, make sure to properly prepare them, because they contain anti nutrient factors that will bind with minerals and pull them out of the body.
And so, with nuts and seeds, you wanna soak them, and then roast them. And with grains, you wanna ferment them and that will help breakdown those anti nutrient factors to make them less damaging to the system and prevent them from actually effecting your mineral status negatively.
So I hope this was helpful, guys. If, for those of you who are with me live, if you have any questions, throw them into the comments box now because I would be more than happy to answer them. I love connecting with you guys and answering your questions, because you guys always have really good ones for me, and remember that we do this Facebook Live every Tuesday at 4:30, and then I release it as a podcast every Thursday. And the last Tuesday of every month, we do a live Q&A. So if you have questions, you can send them to my Facebook page. Just send me a message and I will answer them live on air, or you can always hang out with me, 4:40pm Pacific, on Tuesdays, the last Tuesday of the month is the Q&A.
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All right, thanks guys. Thanks so much for being here with me today. I love you all and I will see you guys next week.
HIGH on Energy TV Episode #5: Why potassium is important for energy and how to support it
Potassium is BEYOND important for your energy levels. Many people are deficiency in potassium and it is making them impossible to feel vibrant and energetic.
In this episode, we discuss the importance of potassium, who is at risk for potassium deficiency, common symptoms of potassium deficiency and my three most important foods for raising potassium.
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Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to episode five of, of High on Energy TV. I'm your host Kendra Perry from KendraPerry.net. And I am so excited to help you get more energy.
So today we're going to be talking about potassium and why it is so important for energy and how you can support it. And so this is actually one of my favorite minerals. The reason for that is because so many people are incredibly deficient in it and it plays a major role in the fatigue that people are experiencing and it's one of the minerals that when people start to boost it and people start to replenish and restore their status, that they tend to get pretty big results. I have to tell a lot of my clients that potassium needs to be their mission. Okay. So today we're going to be talking a little bit about what is potassium, why should you care about it? We're going to be talking about how much potassium you need in a day and it's actually quite a bit. You'll probably be surprised. We're going to talk about what can cause potassium deficiency, symptoms of potassium deficiency and who is at risk for potassium deficiency. And then I'm going to give you three simple ways that you can support your potassium levels.
So. Hi, Marion. Marion just hopped on the live recording on my facebook page. How's it going? Welcome. I'm super glad you're here. I hope you are excited to learn about potassium. Okay.
So what is potassium? So potassium, I think when most people think about potassium, they think about bananas. I think everyone is well aware that potassium is very high in bananas, but there's way more to potassium than this, I promise. So it's one of your body's major electrolytes, which means that it's just a very abundant mineral in the body. It's very important for regulating your heart, very, very important for this. It helps dissolve and keep calcium in the bone. So that means it's very important for bone density and not having brittle bones. When people have lower potassium, they tend to have calcium building up in the wrong place, which is the soft tissue, which means that, they break bones more easy, they have brittle bones, they may have osteopenia, osteoporosis. It's very, very important in regulating the thyroid and in fact, people who have hypo thyroid or hyper thyroid, so underactive or overactive thyroid, they tend to have lower potassium levels. Potassium is anti cancer, so it helps fight cancer. So in a lot of natural cancer protocols, there's a lot of juicing and a lot of potassium support in those protocols because it does have anticancer effects. It regulates fluid in the body, that fluid balance in the body, it controls cell permeability, so it controls how well things get in and out of the cell and it helps your water get into the cell. Okay.
So as you can see, it's very important. Potassium is incredibly important. And a lot of us aren't getting enough of it. And even if we are consuming enough of it, there may be other factors, other sort of factors either in our diet or in our body that might be preventing us from properly absorbing potassium. So according to the recommended daily allowance for potassium, it's about 4,500 milligrams. You probably need a little bit more than that because I feel like, the RDAs are always on the lower side and usually they're just enough to, for you to avoid nutritional diseases rather than actually build and promote health. 4,500 milligrams is actually quite a bit and it's actually even challenging I find to get that 4,500 milligrams. So at the end of the livestream I'm going to be telling you guys like what foods will give you the best bang for your buck with potassium. So that's coming up. So stay tuned.
Okay. So what causes potassium deficiency? So people who have thyroid issues have a really hard time with potassium retention, meaning that they don't hold onto potassium well. So if you have hypo thyroid or Hashimoto's, then I do encourage you to pay attention and make potassium your life mission because it's really gonna help. It's gonna help with your energy. It's going to help you feel better. And so the thing for people who have hypo thyroid, it may not necessarily be that they don't consume enough potassium, but they don't retain it well. So their body has a really hard time holding onto this. And I see this all the time when I'm running hair mineral analysis. I see really bottomed out. Potassium and people who have thyroid, typically they have very high calcium, they have very low potassium, sometimes it's barely registering and, they tend to feel a lot better when you raise the potassium. But the thing is is when you look at, I look at their diet and I'm like, well, they actually consume a lot of potassium rich foods, but they just have this really low retention because of this thyroid issue. The other thing that will promote potassium loss from the body is hormonal birth control. Okay. So, the synthetic estrogen that is in pretty much all hormonal birth control, some talking about the pill, the patch, the ring, the implant, the needle, pretty much the whole Shebang of any hormone containing birth control form of birth control, has the effect of raising copper. So estrogen and copper have this very unique relationship where copper actually boost estrogen and then estrogen increases the retention of copper. But what copper does is it causes potassium loss, so it makes it really hard to retain copper, so copper will get pushed out of the body. So if you're someone who is currently taking hormonal birth control, or you have for a significant amount of time in your life, then again, I encourage you to pay attention and make potassium your mission. Okay.
The copper IUD also will have the same effect, right? Copper in the copper iud will have that effect of driving potassium out of the body. Stress can greatly increase the burn rate of potassium. Pretty much all your minerals, stress burns through your minerals, stress is actually pretty energy intensive, right? So if you have a lot of stress, mental and emotional stress, then yeah, there's a good chance that your body is losing a lot of potassium. Inflammation can also cause potassium loss because there is, again, there's a lot of interesting relationships between minerals, but there's an interesting relationship between sodium and potassium, and they actually help synergize each other. They help enhance the retention of the other, but when they get really out of balance, they can start to antagonize each other or drive the other one out of the body. So inflammation will drive up sodium and sodium drives up inflammation. So there's again, this interesting relationship between stress and, sorry, sodium and inflammation. And when sodium gets really high, it will actually help start to push potassium out of the body. The other thing that will make it really hard for your body to retain potassium is iodine deficiency. And this is probably one of the most common deficiencies that I see. A lot of us aren't getting enough iodine because, you know, we're not living near the sea. We're not bathing in the ocean. We're not consuming seafood and seaweed and Kelp and even these days you have to avoid a lot of fish, right? Because of how toxic the ocean has become.
Hey Teresa, welcome. Anyone else's here? I'd love to know who's here. Give me a Hi. Give me a heart giving a little thumbs up. I love knowing who's hanging out in the audience because right now all I see is an eyeball with a number. That's all I see on my end. I know there's seven of you hanging out here.
Hey Ellen. So yeah, there we got a few of you here and thanks for saying hi.
So like I mentioned, I had an deficiency, very common. A lot of us aren't getting enough of it and a lot of...
A lot of us are bringing things into our diet, into our lifestyle, into our environment unknowingly that actually make it really hard for the body to retain iodine. And so when I run hair mineral analysis, there is no marker for iodine. That's because iodine.
Iodine does not actually get excreted through the hair. So if there was an iodine marker, it would always pretty much be zero. Okay. But I can actually look at your potassium levels and some of the other minerals and get a pretty good idea if you're someone who's iodine deficient and if you have a thyroid issue.
Hey Brittany, she says, 'Yay potassium.' I know Brittany also loves potassium just like me.
Then I can, you know, if you have that low potassium than I can tell that you're probably iodine deficient, especially when it's really bottomed out. When there is a severe iodine deficiency, usually that potassium, it's like, it's not even registering like the lab, the lowest number of the lab can report is one. So it'll say one, but then we'll have these little arrows. This basically means that it wasn't even detectable. What they have to report one. So those are all the things that can cause potassium deficiency. I would say a poor diet can also cause that not getting enough fruits and vegetables. And then, you know, even if you are eating a really healthy whole foods diet, just the fact that our soil tends to be more deficient and what Google tells you is in something is probably not actually true, right? If Google tells you, well, this, you know, like 200 milligrams of this has this much potassium in reality, it probably varies quite a bit depending on where that vegetable or fruit, was actually grown, right? Because it all depends on the soil that it's grown in and we know that our topsoil in North America especially has been pretty depleted. So if that's going to vary a lot as well.
Okay. So let's talk about symptoms. So if you were suffering from potassium deficiency, what might you be experiencing? So the number one thing is typically water retention. So you're kind of, you're bloated and you know, it's not weight, you know, it's not fat. It's like this water retention and woman might notice this in the week leading up to their period, you know, they gain a bunch of weight. More than likely it is water weight, right? And that is because potassium is what brings water into the cell and there are two oceans of water in the body. I like to think of these two oceans, there is what is inside the cell and what is outside the cell. So if you have potassium deficiency, you have nothing to bring that water into the cell, which means that when you drink water, it just hangs out outside the cell and bloats you and then you pee it out. So another sign that you might have potassium deficiencies that you don't retain your water well. So it's like you drink water, you pee it out, you just don't actually feel like you are retaining it and you constantly feel dehydrated even though you might be drinking eight glasses of water a day or more.
The other thing that you would likely experience is heart palpitations. So potassium is very much responsible for regulating the heart. So if potassium is deficient and sodium is in excess, which is really common, that will actually drive high blood pressure, you can get a lot of heart palpitations, pelt, pelt, palpitations. I'm probably totally butchering that word.
I'm terrible at pronouncing things. I always have to go on Google and just type it in and ask for the pronunciation because I'm always saying things wrong. People are always calling me out for it.
The other thing you would experience would be muscle cramps and spasms. So those little spasms that maybe you get in your eyebrow and your leg in your back, a lot of muscle cramping. That can be a sign that you might have potassium deficiency, thyroid issues if you have any thyroid issues at all. Hyperthyroid, hypo thyroid, Hashimoto's, I guarantee there's going to be a potassium issue. And then bone density issues and we kind of already discussed this, but potassium helps keep calcium in the bone. So, if you have low potassium then you might be struggling with Osteopenia, osteoporosis or just, you know, breaking your bones pretty easily.
So who is at the highest risks for potassium deficiency? Well, like I mentioned, I, we've kind of already went through this, but just to sort of reiterate this, are the people with thyroid issues. I would say that is the biggest, people who have Hashimoto's, hypothyroid or hyperthyroid, even graves' disease are going to be really at risk for low potassium. Anyone who's on hormonal birth control, the copper Iud is that risk for very low potassium. And then if you're someone who lives inland and North America so you don't live near the coast, you're not consuming fresh fish and seaweed or marinating your body in the sea, you're going to also be at risk for having potassium deficiency.
And you know, for me personally, like as you guys have probably heard me say over and over, like I struggled with chronic fatigue for so long, you know, my energy levels have been an issue for the past six years or probably even longer now. And potassium was a really big piece for me and it still is a really big piece for me. I always have to be super on top of my potassium levels because I'm copper toxic. I'm still dumping copper a year and a half after I initially started. And copper will help drive potassium out of the body. So I always need to be really on top of it. I have a huge need for potassium. Okay.
So the good news about potassium, is it, is the most well absorbed through the food, which is great. You don't necessarily need to take a supplement, although sometimes I do recommend a potassium supplement, especially when people are really deficient. But this one's actually a little bit new and I kind of hate to say this because I kind of fought it for a while and I hate to jump on this train but I'm jumping on celery juice. Okay. And so I know the medical medium guy, he's all over celery juice. Everyone's drinking their celery juice and I kind of thought it was a bit bunk until I actually started to research it and read into it. And then when I discovered how much potassium that celery juice actually has, I was blown away. It has probably one of the best profiles for potassium than any other food I've really seen. Okay.
So you want to, you obviously need a good juicer and you want to be juicing celery, but for a cup of celery juice you get almost 700 milligrams of potassium, which is really awesome. Okay. And so you need your 4,500 milligrams, you're going to get some of that from food, you're going to get some of that from, you know, sprinkling sea slat on your food or putting salt in your water. But, but that celery juice is actually a really, really good potassium support. I will warn you, it doesn't taste good. I started drinking it every morning and it, it actually, it does tend to make me feel even a bit nauseous, like the taste is really bad. So I've actually started adding it later in the day because first thing in the morning is just a little too much on my gut. So you may want to mix it with some other type of juice just because, yeah, I don't really think it tastes very good. And, the, the great thing about it is you get a lot of other minerals as well. The potassium has a really good sodium profile as well, and then on top of that it's a bitter food, so it's a bile stimulant as well. And I love bile. I think most of us need to be focusing on bile. I think a lot of reasons why people have thyroid issues, why people are fatigued is due to, a sluggish, toxic, thick, bile instead of that nice, thin, viscous. I don't think that's the right word, but a nice thin, like kind of easily movable, like watery, sort of bile, which is what we want. So celery juice as number one. Trying to get a cup in a day. I think it's really, really helpful.
Laura has a great question in the audience. She says, doesn't matter if you're taking out the fiber by juicing it? So don't think of the celery juice, Laura as a replacement for food. Think of it as a supplement. Okay. So, you know, just juicing. Yes. Like not having the fiber is going to be a big issue because we do need fiber. It's really important. It's important for detox, it's important for bowel movements. It's important for a gut bacteria, there's so many reasons we need fiber, so you still want to be consuming your cooked vegetables, you're three to four to six cups of vegetables a day, but you're using the celery juice more as a supplement, as an extra boost so you're not using it to replace. So hopefully that makes sense.
And then Jenny says, 'Hi Kendra, would you be able to touch on high potassium levels? I've been warned to watch how mine get with my kidneys tested high in the last few months.' So yeah, if you have a kidney disorder, you may have to be more concerned about potassium. Definitely, everyone's different and people who have a faster metabolic type do tend to have higher levels of potassium. So those are the type of people who probably don't want to take potassium. Remember that It is all, everyone's different. Right? And that's why I always like to work with hair mineral analysis testing. I know Jenny's in my membership, so she's probably either done the hair mineral analysis or we're waiting on results. We're going to do one soon, but for those of you who aren't in my membership, it's the best way to get access to the testing, it's a pretty low price point to be in the membership and then you can upgrade and get the hair mineral analysis because really in the end you do want to know your levels, but if you're someone who doesn't have kidney issues or any specific, yeah, like kidney disorder, kidney to disease, and then you have some of the issues we talked about, the hormonal birth control history, copper iud, the thyroid issues, then it's not going to be a big deal to use food as a support for your potassium. Your body does a really good job of regulating and if you have too much, typically the kidneys will just move it out. But of course if you do have, a kidney issue, then, maybe that's not happening as much. So you do want to be wearing obviously if you've been diagnosed with something like that.
Teresa says, 'Heart to the membership.' Yes, Teresa is one of my members. It's a great place, for, to work with me to connect with me and we actually have a pretty awesome group of ladies. I would say that they're all pretty bad ass and the support I see everyone giving each other just like makes me cry every single day.
Okay. And then Jenny says, 'I do add celery to my vitamix for smoothies to keep the fiber.' Yes. So you can do that as well. The reason I like a juicing is just because it's a really potent potassium hit versus having to consume all that fiber and getting full. You can just get a lot more bang for your buck from the juice.
The second way to increase potassium is coconut water. So I love coconut water, not only is coconut water, a great source of potassium, but it's a really good electrolyte replacement drink. I think the biggest concern that people have with the coconut water is that it has sugar in it, but I wouldn't worry too much about the sugar. This is a natural sugar. Yes. There are some coconut waters that have higher levels of sugar. Maybe because of the coconuts had been bred to produce higher levels of sugar, or there's sometimes added sugar sometimes. There's really weird things added into coconut water, but you just want a basic. I wish I could remember the brand of the stuff I've been buying. I really like it. It's, it comes from a Thai coconut. It's in a big grain long bought bottle. I can't remember the name of it, but, the other one I use is blue monkey. I do like blue monkey. And, yeah, you just want to make sure it's straight up coconut water and there's nothing else added. I don't worry too much about the added sugar because it is natural and the minerals that you get from coconut water are awesome. So if you're someone who uses the sauna, if you're someone who likes to exercise and sweat a lot, coconut water is something you should take for a mineral replacement drink. It would take the place of something like Gatorade, right? Like obviously don't drink gatorade, drink coconut water. That's what I would say. But I really love coconut water. You're someone who does struggle with really low potassium. I would, you can drink up to a liter of coconut a day. There are some days where I'll drink a full liter of coconut water in a day.
'What about coconut water with high ammonia levels?' So I'm not super familiar with that. Emily. I don't actually, I'm not super familiar with ammonia being in coconut water. I would think that it shouldn't be in coconut water. I would say good quality organic coconut water shouldn't have high ammonia.
And then the third way that I like to support potassium is with nettle. And nettle is comes from stinging nettle, but when it's dry it into a tea, loses that stinging quality so you don't have to worry about that. But you can brew like an infusion. And that actually is a really great way to support potassium as well. And I actually have combined coconut water, so like three parts, coconut water to one part nettle in the summer and made this cold drink and actually really like it. So that's a really good way to support potassium as well.
Ellen says, 'If you were to take potassium, what would a potassium supplement?' So I wouldn't take citrate. The only supplement I found that I like. I haven't right here. It's the designs for health, K Plus 2 potassium and this one is actually a mixture. It's a mixture of bicarbonate and glycinate and this is the only one I found that I like that I think is a high quality well absorbed form. I don't, I wouldn't use it as your only way to support potassium if you have low potassium because three of these is only giving you about, I think you're getting about 900 milligrams. So it's good. I take this every day. I'm someone who's very copper toxic and so I need to be really on top of my potassiums. I do take a potassium supplement. This is the only one I've found so far. There is actually one other, but I found it really hard to get, premier labs makes the HCL activator and that's just comes from potassium foods. But basically it's just potassium foods. So I prefer to support potassium with food. It's better tolerated.
Laura says, 'I love nettles. Nettle infusion. Two thumbs up.' That's great.
Emily says, 'High blood ammonia from infections.' Yeah. So certain infections that consume protein will produce ammonia. I don't see coconut water and ammonia really being an issue. Like if you have high ammonia levels from infections, I would say you can still consume the coconut water. I had several infections that do tend to produce ammonia as a byproduct. Drink lots of coconut water. I don't think it's an issue.
Marion says, 'How can you make coconut water tastes better? I have a hard time getting it down.' So that's funny because I actually love the way it tastes. I love it. I'm obsessed with. I think it tastes great. Marion, I would just say that, maybe it's just a brand thing. I find depending on where the coconuts are being grown or where they come from, they have a bit of a different flavor. So you may just want to experiment with different brands of coconut water to see if you find one that you like or if you really just don't like it and some people just aren't into it. Right? It's a, it's a palette thing. I would stick to, nettle, I would try celery juice or you can even do coconut milk. The only thing I don't love about coconut milk is it comes from an aluminum cans. So there is that, you know, whatever the can is lined with. I never liked that. But you can do a coconut milk because it has about the same potassium profile as, a coconut water.
Jenny says, 'Smoothies.' So that's actually a really good, good recommendation is put it into a smoothie.
'In the US, we have pineapple, pineapple, coconut water. It's fabulous.' That's awesome Ellen.
Awesome. I love how stoked everyone is about coconut water right now. And Potassium. This is like my favorite group of people ever. I talk about potassium so much because the truth is, with potassium, it is the hardest mineral to raise. It can take time, especially when you have other things working against you, like high copper, high sodium, iodine deficiency, adrenal issues, that sort of thing. All of these can affect your potassium.
Theresa says, 'Can you make coconut water?' So you don't actually need to make it, you just need to break open a coconut. When I was in Costa Rica in, when was I there in November, I was literally just buying coconuts and I was using a, a wine opener, a corkscrew and I was just drilling into the coconut and then drinking it. And it was actually amazing, like even though it was getting all the coconuts from the same place, the difference in how they all tasted actually range quite a bit. So I think the taste of coconut water really depends on the coconuts and each individual coconut and where it's coming from. Okay.
So I think that's all I got. Anyone in the audience who's on me on with me on facebook live right now, just let me know if you have any more questions. I'm happy to answer them. I'm going to throw these into the show notes. If you guys want to connect with me, if you want more for me, you can grab my free high energy checklist with my five non negotiable tips for getting more energy or if you want to work with me, the best way to do that is in my high on energy membership program. Bunch of people we have here in the audience are members. And in that program we help you get more energy. We support you with regular group coaching calls and we give you access to the functional testing that helps us get the information we need to customize a protocol specifically for you because you know, I believe in testing and not guessing.
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Christine: Hello and welcome to this episode of the 360 HealthBiz Podcast here with the beautiful Kendra Perry,
Christine: Who is going to blow your minds today, and myself, Christine Hansen. So we're super excited to be here with you today for this episode. But before we dive in, we have a little request that would make us so happy and that would feature you on our show. And that is if you hope over to iTunes right now and you leave us a five star review, we would be super, super, super grateful, and we would actually also read it on the podcast with your names. So have your little claim to fame, your couple of seconds of fame on our show, and that would be absolutely amazing, and we would know on the right track.
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Kendra: Yeah. And I actually just beefed it up too. I threw in, an example of a really good client contract and a really good example of a claim intake form. So I just juiced it up a little bit.
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Christine: Perfect. Alright, so we're going to dive straight into our content today. So we don't have a guest, but it's our, both of us today. And we're going to do continuous education episode, and we're going to talk about detox today. And personally it's been something that I had on the radar for a long time, but I never really saw the issue with, issues with it until I dove deeper and actually realized how inconsiderate a lot of programs and unfortunately even schools are with detoxing, right? So we consider it something super easy, something that you can do whenever, but actually it's something pretty serious that you're doing to your body. So Kendra is an absolute wizard with these topics. I'm going to let her take the lead, take notes people, because this is going to make your practice so much more efficient. You will be ahead of the curve because you will know things that your clients never heard before and nobody else has told them that it's going to make you a much better practitioner. So Kendra, take it away.
Kendra: Awesome. And I love talking about this topic because I think it's a really misused word. I think detoxification is a very important process that we should always be thinking about all of us, whether you're a practitioner, client, everyone needs to be thinking about it, but it's a really overused, like kind of butchered word and it almost kinda has lost, it's like street cred to some degree because everyone out there is telling you that this will make you detox, that will make you detox, but when you actually kind of break down the building blocks of what that program or product actually is, like a lot of these things, they actually don't improve detox and a lot of them actually prevent detox altogether. So it's kind of one of my missions to try to make people better understand this because in my personal opinion, if you're not detoxing on the regular, you're going to be sick,
Kendra: and not gonna have energy and you're going to have a hard time losing weight and you're gonna have brain fog and you're going to end up with chronic illness.
Christine: Exactly. I think that is like the number one thing that my clients are very surprised about when they tell that they want to go to someone who wants to do a detox with them and I always ask them, 'are you sure is your body actually ready for this? And detoxing can be very dangerous. If you're already sick. It might not be the best idea to do full on detox.' And they look at me like super surprised. I find that is already showing that you have more knowledge than you know, a general, just like the average practitioner may be or someone who's just, you know, just dip, dabbling with supplements for funds.
Christine: Right. Well let's go into detox and maybe, you know, when I play the devil's advocate, when I think about detox, what I used to think was that you take a product, you eat certain foods and then your body just eliminates all the crap that it has inside and once it's done, you clean and shiny and sparkly, and everything is just working like a new brand new Ferrari engine. Right. So correct me if I'm wrong. Which I'm sure I am.
Kendra: Yeah. And there's a few, there's some truth to what you said, but then there's some caveats as well. And yeah, we're going to go through what detoxification actually is today, why it's important, but I'm also going to tell you how you can design an effective safe detox for your clients, where it actually gives the client what you're telling them, it's that you're giving them. Because a lot of people are like, 'oh, sign up for my detox program,' but the program actually doesn't help you detox. And so it is true. Like our body's always detoxing, right? Like we have detoxification pathways and methods and organs and cells in the body. And if that process were to ever stop, you'd probably be dead within a couple days, right? Like you wouldn't live very long because, you know, we're always, you know, bringing this crap into her body. So like detox, it's not just like, 'oh, like I do this detox once a year and I'm good.' Like, it's like, 'no,'like your body actually is always detoxing. Your body is very good at it. But the sort of caveat is the fact that we live in a very different than we did 100 years ago, right. In the industrialized world, puts a lot of chemicals into the environment and right now there's upwards of 84,000 chemicals in the environment in North America. I don't know what it is for Europe, but it's probably similar because we share the same planet, right? There's winds and currents and that stuff gets kind of spread around the globe. So you know, there's all these chemicals now being added into our environment. Only a fraction of them are actually being tested for human safety. Very few of them are actually being tested for long-term. The approval process of getting a new chemical in the US is ridiculous. Like they just like push it through. It's a little different in Europe. You guys are a little bit more advanced North American.
Christine: Yeah, it's like a proven until the innocent or proven until guilty kind of [inaudible]. In the US it's like anything is fair game until you prove that it's absolutely horrible. In Europe it's, you know, we're not letting it on the market until you prove that it's safe, right. So.
Kendra: Yeah. And I mean that's a much better perspective and I know like when it comes to ingredients in our personal care products, like Europe's were called thousands, whereas I think the US is, we're called maybe five or six or something.
Christine: I know.
Kendra: So it's like, okay, that's a pretty big difference. But you know, a lot of the chemicals that, you know, we exist with that we live in, we live in a very chemical world and they've been connected to allergies, cancer, birth defects, you know, mental health issues, psychological disorders, like they're all around us and like we are getting exposed like, I don't care if you are living in Nepal, at the top of the Himalayas, like in a mud hut. Like, you still have some of these things in your body. And the research is pretty clear on that, Christine. Like there's studies of a human breast milk, and in human breast milk, I mean they find persistent organic pollutants, they find heavy metals, they find pesticides, all kinds of contaminants, in human breast milk, right? Like, how's it getting in there? Well, it's getting absorbed into the body through food, water, skin, air, that sort of thing. And then that is making people very sick and this is, like, a topic that I think we all need to pay really big attention to. Like I know in the functional medicine world, everyone is talking about the gut and that's great. Yes, digestive health is important. We had an episode about poop. We love poop, we love the gut, but it doesn't go deep enough for me. And I think, you know, everyone saying, well the gut is the root of all illness. I think that's really misled, because I honestly believe it's chemicals, metals, toxins. It's our toxic environment because, you know, we see in our practices. Like me and Christine do a lot of gut testing and what we see is chronic infections that we have a really hard time clearing, even though they eat really well and they live a healthy lifestyle. They get all these infections. So the big question is like, well why is the gut so unhealthy? Especially when people are actually leading a pretty healthy lifestyle. Right? And I think that's where we start to dig into all these underlying toxins and chemicals that are making their way into our bodies.
Christine: Yeah. And I think the main organ or one of the biggest organs that we have, that we tend to neglect as our skin. Right?
Christine: So I tell people if you're chronically ill, if there's lots of things going wrong, just thinking about what you put on your skin. If you wouldn't put it into your mouth then don't put it on your skin because it's getting absorbed just as much, right.
Christine: And that is something that make a big shift in a lot of people, who in the beginning of hesitant, you know, who are like, 'oh yeah, well there's no parabens in there anymore, or maybe no sulphates and no soda cans,' but, you know, that's not it, that's not enough.
Kendra: Yeah. And there's other things in there too. A lot of products that tout themselves as natural health products, like when you actually look at the ingredients, you can find all kinds of stuff. And a really great resource is actually the environmental working group, ewg.org/skindeep. I think. You can actually input your personal care product into their database and it'll come up with all the ingredients and like what studies have linked them to. So you can actually get a safety rating for everything you're using or if you don't have time for that, you're like, I'm too fucking busy. I don't have time for that. Just look at their top rated lists. They have like a top 10 list for a lot of different products.
Kendra: And so that's a really good place to start. And I mean I think obviously with detox, like people will, you know, spend 10 days a year during their little cleanse or their little detox, and think that they're good, but you know, if you're not doing anything to address the incoming source then detoxification doesn't work. Right? It's like you've got this, like, sink with a tap that won't stop running and you clear the drain temporarily, but if you don't actually address the leak, I mean that sinks just going to keep overflowing and filling up. So I think detox always needs to start with looking at our environment and really kind of, I guess looking at our relationship with chemicals, right? Like what, how are we letting chemicals into our lives? You know, are we drinking tap water? Tap water's a really huge source of toxicity. Christine's like, 'Oh my God, it's so toxic.' Yeah. Tap Water, even [inaudible] water.
Christine: You really notice the difference. I never thought, you know, everyone is always in Luxembourg your tap water is fine, and I'm like, you know, it's maybe not even the water, but it's like just the pipes.
Kendra: Oh yeah.
Christine: You live in Europe, it's super old. The pipes in the village I used to live, were was super, super old and I realized that after I switched to tap, to mineral water, from Luxembourg though, because I don't [inaudible] like have reactions, right.
Christine: It was so heavy it, so it really showed me that it's not [inaudible]. So I'm just a huge snob when it comes to water.
Kendra: Yeah. You should be a snob when it comes to water honestly, because it's the main way that people make themselves toxic and a lot of places will tell you like, 'oh, we have really, we have the cleanest drinking water.' But like, yeah, it's because it doesn't have like faecal contamination in it. It doesn't have maybe parasites or bacteria. But, they're not filtering for metals, pesticides, you know, they're not filtering. It's going to have chlorine in it. It's probably gonna have fluoride. And the biggest thing with municipal water is actually a drug residues, right? Everyone's taking drugs, people taking birth control or hormone replacement, diabetes medication, whatever. They pee it back out into the water and that goes back into your drinking system. So that's a really big one that people need to be considering as well. Yeah. So let's talk. I want to talk a little bit about like what actually is detoxification, and like what parts of the body...
Christine: Yeah [inaudible]
Kendra: Totally. I think we have a bit of a delay, Christine, you're kind of cutting in and out for me.
Christine: Yeah. But it's fine. I'm just [inaudible]. It's okay, I'm listening.
Kendra: Okay, cool. Yeah. So what is, you know, detoxification. It's kind of a sexy word, but what it actually is, what it actually should be called is conjugation, which isn't very sexy, but it's just basically the process of transforming one thing into another. Goes through several phases of detoxification and it comes out as something that our body can actually process and run through the colon, the sweat, the kidneys. Something that's safe, because you can't actually put a toxin into the body and just move it out as is, the body can't do that. It has to be transformed. And so there's actually four phases of detoxification. And I know Christine, that the liver gets all of the kind of fame for detoxification, but the liver actually detoxifies a lot less than the skin, and then the cells in the stomach. So the enterocytes in the stomach actually detoxify way more than the liver. So does the kidneys, so does all kinds of cells all over the body. So it's not just the liver. We shouldn't just be thinking about our liver. We actually need to be thinking about cellular detox. And basically the easiest way to break it down, and I should have a whiteboard behind me because it'd be really easy to describe, but basically there is phase zero and that's when the toxin goes into the cell. Once the toxin is in the cell there is phase one and phase two. And that's what most people are familiar with,
Kendra: there familiar with the phase one and the phase two. Phase one takes a fat soluble toxin, changes it into a peroxide, and then phase two takes that peroxide and turns it into a water soluble compound. And then phase three is when that, that talks and leaves that cell and then gets excreted. So there's actually four phases. Phase one and phase two or phase three, were all, were recently discovered, but there are those four phases. And we actually need to be supporting all of those phases when you do a detox. And what's really interesting is there are very famous, I'll call them famous, like detox ingredients that people will pump you full of during a detox. And they're virtually in every single detox product. I do my air quotes, but they actually, they actually blocked detoxification and...
Christine: What the fuck, right?
Kendra: Yeah. And to have these are milk thistle and curcumin.
Christine: Oh! [inaudible]
Kendra: I thought you'd have that reaction.
Christine: I'm like, hang on, in every program I've ever read it's like Qq is like, yeah, that's the thing you need to everyday put it into smoothies, put it everywhere, brush your teeth with it.
Kendra: Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not saying those are bad ingredients, but for the purposes of a detox, like if you actually want to help someone detoxify, milk thistle actually blocks the, the third phase of, of detoxification, so does curcumin. So those actually prevents those toxins from leaving the cell. Okay. Milk thistle is very helpful for the liver. Yes. It helps rebuild the liver. It's very good for that. But for the purposes of detox, like it's not something you should be taking long term. It's not something you should put into a detox product. So you're probably going to go into your shelf and look at all your detox supplements and you're gonna to have to throw them all out.
Christine: Throw them all out.
Kendra: Yeah. Because they're going to have that. And so I, you know, I think that's a really important thing to consider because there's lots of products on the market that tell you they are detox products and they're not, and this comes down to the fact that like when you're detoxifying, you actually need to have three things present. You need to have something that's going to immobilize, something that's going to like stir up the toxins because the toxins are getting stored pretty deeply in our body, right? They're getting stored in fat cells, brain cells, organs, tissues, like they get, they get put in there, and especially fat cells, Christine. Like fat cells are kind of like this nice little like membrane thing and
Kendra: the body can push a toxin into there and it'll protect it from the rest of the body, right? It'll protect that toxin from the rest of the body. So the body doesn't really want to immobilize that toxin. So it's, you have to do something that's going to immobilize.
Christine: That's also, I think why, you know, when women want to get pregnant, I always tell them that now is not a good time because, you know, if you get rid of of that basic unleashes that toxic [inaudible], that's the first step, right. It's not, you have a regular load, plus your actually going to unleash and what’s been stored up. And especially also I know that women with endometriosis, that tissue's very absorbent as well, so not just for hormones but also for toxins, so, which is why there are so many inflammation issues, you know,
Christine: So, it's, I'm just saying if you're a women or you're dealing with people who have fertility issues, be very mindful of that, right. And for anyone how has a health condition or who you know is going to go through a hard time or anything like that. Just as a word of warning. Do not start a detox. When you know that there's something happening very soon like that. So it's a big process. It's a big deal, right.
Christine: You don't know how much is in there, how much is stored in there, you don't know what it is. You don't know how the body's going to react to it. And so just a little disclaimer, free warning.
Kendra: No, I think that's a really good point. Pregnancy, nursing, these aren't times where you detox and yeah, when I work with clients it's like if we're on, if we have them on like a gut protocol, where they're getting rid of infections and maybe we're doing some detox that we have to kind of give that all a stop. We have to hold that until after they're done breastfeeding, because you're right, it's not a time to be detoxing. You don't want toxins to go into the placenta and into your baby. Right? So, yeah, that's a really good point. But I love how, what you said about endometriosis. Because that's a big one for toxins. Especially because a lot of the plastics in our environment, they mimic human estrogen and that's a really big issue with a lot of these toxins or xenobiotics is that they look very similar and they act very similar to human estrogen and hormonal issues I think are very much driven by this chemical toxicity. And you know, I think males are having the same issues. Like you know, too much estrogen in a male is going to lead to like man boobs and weight issues, right?
Christine: And sleep issues.
Kendra: Yes, and sleep issues. Sleep like a boss.
Christine: Yeah. And I can see that at a lot when I run into something like the Dutch test and I can see everything pointing towards something and then I have a woman with endometriosis, you know that the results might be skewed because those little fuckers are just holding on to their dear life in [inaudible]. So it's just good to know that.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah. And definitely like, like you mentioned with endometriosis, like those tissues are very absorbent and they're absorbing a lot of chemicals and toxins. And then when that gets shed every month, I think that really pays into that inflammation and that extreme pain that women feel has endometriosis. A lot of detox needs to happen with endometriosis for sure.
Kendra: Yeah. And so we've talked about, so the three things that you need, we've talked about immobilization you need to, and I'm going to give you guys some examples of these. So this will help you design your own detox program. There's, you want to immobilize, you want to kind of move those toxins out of the cells, out of the tissues. Number two is the actual like detoxification or transformation, conjugation, conjugation part, so that's something that you're gonna give them to help them move toxins into the body, to boost those different phases of detoxification. It's not going to be curcumin, it's not going to be milk thistle, it's not going to be black pepper, because all those things will block your phases of detoxification, but actually what I'm going to tell you in a second, is going to surprise you because these ingredients are these supplements that I'm going to tell you about, you've actually probably never even seen in a detox product, which is kind of funny to me, because they were actually the best way to enhance detoxification. So that's number two. And then number three is excretion, right? So we need to immobilize, we need to move things through the phases of detoxification, but then we have to help with the excretion and actually getting that out. And this is what most detox programs are missing. They don't do anything to help with excretion. They might stir it up, they might try to open the phases of detox, but they don't actually help you move it out of the body, which means that those toxins are probably going to get redeposited.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. So that sucks. We don't want that, and that's how detox can make people sick, right. Can make people feel like crap because they're just stirring up toxins and not really moving them out. So let's talk about some of the things that actually help them immobilize toxins. So this will probably surprise you, but one of the best ways to do it is actually fasting and calorie restriction, because that causes the fat cells to burst, right? We want the fat cells to burst and dumped their toxins. So intermittent fasting or extended fasting or calorie restriction are actually really great ways to do this. And this is why I think detox needs to be part of weight loss programs because with calorie restriction, ultimately you are immobilizing toxins. And I actually think maybe the reason why people gain back their weight is because they dump a lot of toxins, but then they don't get moved out. So the body needs to store them again,
Kendra: body makes more fat cells or bigger fat cells.
Christine: Makes sense.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah. So that's a good way to do it. I mean, that can be obviously a bit intense for people, but it's the best way to do it. Something else that will mimic the same effects of fasting calorie restriction is actually vitamin B3 or Niacin in higher doses. I don't know if you've ever used that, Christine, but you have to be careful with it because it'll make you flush. Like if you take it...
Kendra: in high doses, like it makes you go super red, like a tomato, you get super. [inaudible]
Christine: [inaudible] I had it yesterday, yesterday.
Kendra: Oh really?
Christine: No kinding. I went to see a friend of mine is doing Chinese medicine and she wanted to show you a new thing and she gave me this multivitamin and she was like, 'I put a little bit of B3 in there,' [inaudible] tomato, I hope it wasn't too much, but I didn't. So it was good. But it made me pee like [inaudible]
Kendra: Oh yeah, totally. Yeah. It has a really interesting effect on the body. And so you want to take it, like if you're going to take it, you want to start with a really low dose,
Kendra: like possibly like 50 milligrams or less, because if you go buy like a 500 milligram capsule like you're gonna you might, well you might puke because it's acid, so it will burn your stomach and it'll make you feel very nauseous and then you'll be super red. You'll be read like a beat, you'll be itchy. I mean, you're just going to be like, 'Oh my God, what is happening?'
Kendra: But what it does and there's actually a whole Niacin detox program that's very interesting. But you want to start with a small dose and kind of work your way up. So you could do like a two week or three week detox with Niacin where you start at 50 milligrams and you the way up as high as a thousand or even two. But there's actually this, and I want to mention this because I, this is just so so cool to me. So after 9/11, Christine, a lot of those firefighters were very sick because they got exposed to all those toxic building materials when they were going through the rubble of those buildings and a lot of them were demonstrating Parkinson like symptoms, neurological symptoms, like they were very sick and they actually were put through this Niacin detox which was developed actually by L. Ron Hubbard, the creator of scientology, which is random.
Christine: Your kidding.
Kendra: But, yeah, totally. He developed this way before he developed scientology, but actually is a way to detox people getting off of drugs. And so they went through this program, these firefighters, and basically it involves taking this high dose Niacin, some exercise, and then getting in a sauna and sweating it out. And they were sweating out purple. There's, you can go on Google and look up like 9/11 firefighter Niacin detox, and you'll see pictures of guys holding up towels that are drenched in purple from all the toxins.
Christine: Oh my God.
Kendra: The crazy things that they were bringing through their skin.
Christine: Mind blown people. I'm telling you, this is good stuff
Kendra: Yeah. I know it's, it's totally mind blowing. And it's really crazy. So I think it's a very effective, it's been around for a long time, but you know, obviously if you are doing the Niacin detox like it is best that you, you know, speak with a professional who knows what they're doing first, you should always consult Dr, Professional, that sort of thing. And, you need to be implementing the other phases as well.
Christine: Exactly [inaudible]
Kendra: The other thing I wanted to mention, that'll do it, that'll help them better for. Sorry, go ahead Christine.
Christine: Yeah, I was just going to say that be cautious about these things, don't forget when we told you, right.
Christine: Run phase one and phase two and phase three. This is just like the facilitator. You need, it's like having a plane landing, right? And then having the passengers are all the different toxins coming out and then you need a bus to shuttle them out, right. So right now where just helping passengers to get out of that plane, which is just like your fat cells and everything, and now you need to shuttle them off. Right? So...
Kendra: I love that analogy. I think that's great, like people will be like, 'Yeah, that totally makes sense.' And there is one other thing, and this won't do all toxins, but this is one I use, it's called BioSil. I'll just put that up to the camera for those of you who are watching us on video, but basically it's marketed for skin, hail, hair and nails, but it's just silicone, and silicone actually helped stirrup metal. So this might not get your, your chemicals, your xenobiotics, I'm not super familiar with it, does that, but it does stir up certain metals. So this is actually a really great part of a metals detox program is a little bit of silicon. And a lot of people are already taking it for skin, hair, teeth. But you can take up to 10 drops a day. It can cause a lot of fatigue if you have a lot of metals, you want to start with one drop, but again, if you're going to take it, you, you need to be doing the other things as well. So that's, that's what you need to do with immobilizing toxins. So if you design a detox program, it should either contain some sort of intermittent fasting, some sort of calorie restriction, or Niacin and be careful with the Niacin, because if you give someone a Niacin flush, like we mentioned, it's pretty unpleasant and it might make someone never want to work with you again. So, yeah.
Christine: Yes. They might think they have an allergic reaction and might die. So it's, yeah, no, no. Every time I, I've been weary of it, you know, when they told me, it's been the third time was something that I have it, I have never had anything happen, but I was like, 'I don't want to flush.'
Christine: [inaudible] just want to know about it but you know, I mean stuff with a super low dose and just do plan, stick to it and hydrate.
Kendra: Yep, hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.
Christine: [inaudible] if you have a reaction [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah, yep, yeah, exactly. And it's temporary, like if you do have a reaction. I've had it. I've, I've overdone Niacin multiple times because I'm, I'm just like don't follow my own follow my...
Christine: Come on!
Kendra: I'm like terrible at following my own advice. But it is temporary and it will, it will pass. It may make you feel very sleepy. Like when I've overdone it, I've literally had people pass out because it makes me very tired. It also sometimes will make you like really goosebumpy, like it makes me really cold and sleepy and I feel like getting the covers and pass out. But yeah, just, actually take my advice, don't be like me, I, I'm horrible for following my own advice sometimes I'm just like, 'oh, I'll just, I'll just see what happens. I'll just, oh whatever. I'll just, I'll just try it.'
Christine: Maybe that was why I was so tired yesterday morning.
Kendra: Yeah, it can make you sleepy, for sure. So take it before bed.
Kendra: Okay. So that's the immobilization. And then we have to talk about the actual detoxification part. So that's where we're taking things to actually help boost detoxification. So milk thistle, curcumin, black pepper. Those things inhibit certain phases of detoxification. You don't want to take those. But things that have actually been proven scientifically, to help with detoxification is coQ10, St John's Wort, and then two strains of lactobacillus, the probiotic, the rhamnosus, and the plantarum. So that's funny, hey Christine, like, have you ever heard those into detox product before?
Christine: No. Like I, I'm the biggest lactobacillus rhamnosus, [inaudible] anyway. Gg strain is the one that I love, like, you need to know probiotics have different strains. The Gg is one that I love because it's like this old style kind of thing, I haven't, but it makes total sense. It makes complete sense to me. The plantarum I haven't seen before, no. Do you know, by any chance, if there are any strains that are better than others?
Kendra: Yeah. I just know the rhamnosus and the plantarum, so I know those strains. I know there's like different strains of each, but as far as I know, it's just those...
Christine: The main.
Kendra: Those main ones that will help. And yeah, the coQ10 and say, like coQ10 is typically something used with people with like, like MS and Parkinson's and St John's Wort is typically used for depression, anxiety, like mental health issues. But they actually are really great detoxifier. So it's just funny because, you know, I look at, and someone's gonna hate me for this, but like those, those shakology things, right.
Kendra: It's like, 'Oh, this helps you detox.' And I look at the ingredients and it's got a ton of things in there that actually block detoxification. And then it's just full of shitty low quality vitamins and minerals that aren't even very well absorbed and some like fillers, and I'm just like, this is a really expensive product, it doesn't help you detox. It's like, I'm sorry, but it's shit.
Christine: It's shit. Yeah. It's not doing anything. It's just random product in there that used to be, I think a lot of these products where developed in the 90's, early 2000's, and nobody's really revised them since then, right?
Christine: And then you have some products, you know, who have everything.
Christine: There you have milk thistle and Q10 and it's like, well that's not going to help either. Right? It's really tricky. So the best is to take things in there, you know, proper form not, I think it's super hard to find a really good all in one product.
Christine: I prefer taking things separately, tying them in properly, and having each individual product do their stuff. It's just more bespoke. It's more tailored, it's more efficient.
Christine: I just prefer that.
Kendra: Yeah, I agree. Like the thing about like minerals for example, is there a very heavy. Right? Very like physically heavy. Like they have all those electrons, like if you get nerdy and look at the periodic table, they just get heavier as you go down. Let's get nerdy and, the thing is if you're taking a multivitamin, like, like if it has everything in it, like you're taking it at such a low dose, that, that's why a lot of multivitamins or synthetic, because they're so weak when they're natural that they have to be synthetic. And I mean I don't think synthetic vitamins and minerals are helpful. And then if you're going to take a national multivitamin, like you would have to take like 10 to 20 times the normal dose to be able to for it to have any effect. Like when people ask me about multivitamins again, they're wondering about an all in one product that can be helpful. My favorite thing is actually marine phytoplankton. There's a company that gets an activation products but it's called Oceans Alive, Marine Phytoplankton. And it actually contains every single mineral and vitamin that the human body needs. Tastes like swampy seawater. But it's really good stuff. And it's in like a very safe, natural plant based form and the really cool thing about the marine phytoplankton is it's alive and if it had too many toxins in it, like if it was contaminated it would die.
Kendra: So that's how they can tell that it's good quality and it's not contaminated. So that's. And that will actually help you detox as well. That's a good like kind of base detox product because it has all the vitamins you need.
Christine: There you go.
Kendra: Yeah. So that can be helpful. But the other things that work really well, and Dandelion is actually a little bit more well known. I think Dandelion is well known.
Kendra: For its detoxification benefits and it does. So dandelion, Chicory root tea is really helpful. And then anything that boosts bile. So bile is something that your liver makes but it stored in the gallbladder and your body will secrete it every time you consume fat. Right? It's kind of like the dish detergent, like if you have an oily pan and you're trying to wash it with water, like you don't get anywhere, you need that soap to kind of emulsify it and break it down, that's what bile is. And bile is actually one of the most detoxifying things that your body has. So bitters are really great.
Kendra: All your bitter foods, greens, that sort of thing. That can be really helpful as well. So you want to be.
Kendra: What were you going to say Christina?
Christine: [inaudible] Is that some of my clients have gallbladder [inaudible] and as a result they were [inaudible], and to me, that's just so irresponsible. Like there's reason for all of this happening. You cannot just cut out an organ, right. So if you do not have a gallbladder, obviously you have to eat differently. You cannot eat as much in one go, just simply because, you know, the gallbladder is that to help the body out once its natural flow has, you know, emptied.
Christine: But what I do find is that you can help it with, I even had really great success with essential oils, actually. Essential oils that were great with plants, that help digestions and things like that. That could definitely help even topically. But that's just a little side note for those of you maybe don't have a gallbladder anymore or just like don't let it [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah. And so if you don't have a gallbladder, like if you do have a gallbladder, I mean you could be doing things all day long to help stimulate bile and that's really helpful, but you don't want to be doing that when you don't have a gallbladder because then you're just dumping bile into the intestine because you have no storage place for it and then it can be a bit aggravating. So you just want to, you know, only take your bile stimulants when you are eating. Bitters are helpful. Actually, there's a product from UNIKEY called Bile Builder, that I really like. It's got everything that helps build bile and then you might add in some bile salts as well. Just to help because yeah, like gallbladders are really important. Obviously there are medical emergencies where it needs to happen. But typically if I'm working with someone and they're like, 'oh, like my doctor wants to take out my gallbladder.' I'm like, 'give me six months.'
Kendra: Like just, you know, give me six months. Like, I think we can. And typically they won't need to get it removed. It's just because their bile has become thick, luggy and toxic, and we need to kind of thin it out and move it through the gallbladder and make it like viscous again, like that word, viscous.
Kendra: Okay. So the last thing that we have to consider when we're making or building a detoxification program is that excretion part. And so we always want to be taking a binder, something that will help bind to toxins and move it out so that they're not getting recirculated. Typically fiber will do that. The most commonly known binders are things like charcoal, bentonite clay, psyllium husk or, chitosan, which is a shellfish fiber. So if you're allergic to fish, that's not an option. But the thing about those binders that is unfortunate is they, they do bind to all the crap, but they also bind to minerals and pulled them out of the body. So they're not a great long term strategy. So what I use instead, my favorite binder of all time is modified citrus pectin. It's basically just the rind of citrus fruits, and it's great because if you, if it's modified properly, if the people who make it modify it properly, it will get all the crap, all the toxins, all the metals, all the chemicals, even glyphosate, but it does not fuck with the minerals. It doesn't pull them out at all. So the company that has proven that they do this properly is Econugenics. So that's the only company I recommend for modified citrus pectin, because they backed up their shit with a lot of research. A lot of companies will say they make modified citrus pectin but they actually don't modify it properly. And then you're pulling out minerals with toxins which you don't want to do.
Christine: Amazing. So I had no idea. So I'm super like, 'WHHAAAT?'
Kendra: WHAAAT? So I've got some in my tea right now, I take it in my tea every single morning. It's a supplement. When people ask me, 'Hey, I'm on a budget, what's the one supplement I should take?' I always say the citrus pectin because it pulls out all that crap out of your body that we are getting exposed to. It's very safe. It helps boost glutathione. It helps stimulate the immune system. And so everyone should drink it every morning and thier tea.
Christine: I'm going to get that straight away. Like, I'm going to order that today.
Kendra: Yeah. So it's Econugenics Pectasol-C. Get like the, the big thing will cost you like $100, which seems expensive, but at five grams a day it lasts you three months. So it's not too bad.
Christine: That's totally fine. I mean it's like, it as I always say, this is just our vessel, right? We're just here because of this vessel that is our body. If we can help it to be less toxic. It's easy, you know, like.
Kendra: Yeah, totally. I totally agree. It's so important. Like, I mean I have, I have like a health budget, like I have like set aside money every month for what I assigned on my health because it's very, very important to me. It's a priority. I can't do my job. I can't be happy if I don't have my health. Right? So I think investing in our health is something we all need to be doing.
Christine: Yes. Agreed. Much more so than software, you can live without one software.
Kendra: Arg, I love software though. Dammit.
Christine: Me too, but like seriously, some of them are so expensive, their like $50 a month, were I'm like, 'Oh God.'
Kendra: Well everyone's on like a membership model now. Hey? It drives me crazy. I'm like, just give me a one-time fee.
Christine: Yes. But you know, instead you can just buy the supplements instead, you know, and it's going to make you produce a lot more too, which is good.
Kendra: Yeah, exactly. It's really good stuff. A lot of people feel really good on it, so highly recommend it. And then the other thing you want to be thinking about is actually like, okay, so we're binding, but we want to be actually forcing that excretion. Sauna therapy is probably one of the best ways to do this. It's the most well researched. It's really easy to get swept things through the skin. Right. And a lot of us don't sweat that much, especially if you know, me and Christine live in like of the northern latitudes right now it's winter. We're not sweating that much. I just came from Costa Rica and literally all I did was sweat like a Mofo for three weeks [inaudible].
Christine: I am a sweater. Like when it's hot, I sweat like a really great sweater, but there's many funny this, my nose, is like my main sweating organ, I kid you not.
Kendra: Really? Oh my God, that's so funny.
Christine: Nothing in my face well start sweating but just my nose, and you can literary see the drops like forming. I don't know why.
Kendra: That's funny. I mean I'm definitely a face sweater. I'm like, it's funny because when we go ski touring or like hiking like, with like, you know, the girls, they have all their hair out, their hair is so nice and mine's just like shellacked to my head and I'm like, 'Oh God, why do you guy look so good. I'm just so disgusting right now.'
Christine: Yeah. But I'm taking hot baths regularly. You know like, really hot baths that make me sweat. Like completely, like you know, oohh.
Kendra: Yeah, those actually work really well.
Christine: Yeah, exactly. You have the steam, you have the heat, you sweat it in the water so you don't necessarily notice it. But it's like you notice it afterwards because your body is like parched.
Christine: And then obviously the mindful for what kind of body lotion, put on too, because it's going to absorb it.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, that's a good point because, you can, if you don't own a sauna or you don't have access to a sauna, you can do baths, you can do a really hot bath which will help you sweat. But, you know, any sauna we'll do like, it doesn't need to be infrared. I know infrared Saunas are big hype these days, but it can just be like the sauna that's at your local fitness center or gym or whatever. I actually own an infrared sauna, I have one sitting right over there. I love it. Best investment of my life. It's great because you can actually be in it. You probably need one in your office. [inaudible]
Christine: I need one. I am actually considering putting one into my office because I do have enough space. I just find it. It might look a little bit weird when clients come here and [inaudible].
Kendra: Yeah, I don't see clients here, but, just you know...
Christine: [inaudible] but I do have this space. It's huge. It's like massive. My new office is massive.
Christine: I just saw a really good deal recently, on an Expo model infrared Saunas that I love. I was like, 'Ohhh.'
Kendra: It's definitely a game changer. I bought mine last year and things have really shifted for me since owning it, you know, like I use it on a regular basis, three to four times a week, you know, I get all the great benefits from the infrared, right. It's really good for skin. It has a lot of good anti-aging. It has weight loss benefits, but yeah, the sweating is what matters. And so, you know, obviously infrared, you can spend less, you don't have to stay in it as long or, and you can stay in it longer. Right? It heats you from the inside out, because I know when you go to like a wood fired sauna, like you breathe it into your lungs and it's hard to stay in. But The infrared, like it has that extra benefit of, of allowing you to stay in longer. But really in the end just get a sauna, like try to make that a regular part of your health regimen. You should be recommending it to your clients. The other thing you can do, that can be helpful. A lot of people are super freaked out by them, but are coffee enemas.
Christine: Yeah, I have. My client last weekend and she was talking about a hydro colon therapy, which is a little bit like a coffee enema on steroids,
Christine: Work with hot water, hot water and pressure and it's kind of painful really.
Christine: It is really painful. You have the impression that you get [inaudible]. But coffee enemas are super relaxed, like.
Kendra: Oh yeah.
Christine: Get out of your head that your butt is a horrible place, right. It's actually much less worse than hydro colon therapy or colon therapy,
Christine: and you can just relax with it if you just let yourself go a little.
Kendra: And it's so true. And you know, it's so funny because I always tell my clients and my group members, I'm like, you know, just be open minded give it a go because most people are freaked out and then they fall in love. Like literally they fall in love with putting coffee up their butt.
Christine: I know, it's like this warm and fuzzy feeling and then afterwards it feels like a new born, and it's easy and we'll get specific. Not specific, but there's a very good video of a lady doing it on YouTube. Like you don't see every detail, you do see her doing it basically.
Christine: And it just shows you how simply it is, right? And it's just like, it's just a hole people, you know, it's like.
Kendra: Yeah, I think people are weird about their butt.
Christine: I know.
Kendra: But I mean personally I love pooping. I love to poop. It's just my favorite thing in the entire world. That's definitely tmi. But I'm into it. But yeah,
Christine: You feel so much better afterwards.
Kendra: Oh yeah. And it's my time, you know, it's like I read a book, I do some meditation, like I make it sexy in there, like light some candles.
Christine: Exactly. And there's a lady called Marissa something. I don't remember her name. I met her in August and she is the poop lady something and she said like the perfect poo is the length of your elbow to your wrist? And I was like, I cannot imagine that thing, but do you know why I couldn't?
Christine: European toilets are different than US toilets. Like if you have good poop in a US toilet, you would see the whole length, in European toilets it always breaks.
Christine: You never see it in its full glory.
Kendra: Oh my God, that's so funny.
Christine: So there you go people.
Kendra: Oh Man. That's such a, that is a great piece of information. I'm going to remember that with my European clients if you like, don't worry. You don't see the whole coil in the toilet because your toilets weird.
Christine: There you go, Kendra is rocking your world with science and I know that toilets work differently when pooping.
Kendra: We each bring something very important to the table.
Kendra: Yep, totally.
Christine: Tip of a tube that is much smaller.
Kendra: Yeah. It's very small and you know, the, the, what actually is happening with them. If this is your first time hearing about them and you're like, well, why would you put coffee up here? But it's because of the caffeine in the coffee. Once it's in the colon, it actually goes directly into the hepatic portal system, which is like the little capillary system that connects the colon to the liver and the gallbladder. And when the caffeine gets to the liver, gallbladder actually causes them to contract and run bile through and dump the bile. So it's a great way to help yourself like detox that bile. So it's a very mechanical way to detox the liver. And, you know, I know for natural cancer therapies, I mean they all have people doing these like three to six times a day just because that's how toxic people with cancer are. And so they're, you know, they're very safe to do. They tap it, typically make you feel good. Most people don't react to the caffeine the way you would if you drank a cup of coffee. Some people find them stimulating. I mean if you're going to try it for the first time, you should probably do it earlier in the day just to make sure. But I mean, I love them. I do them regularly. My boyfriend thinks I'm crazy. We joke around about butt coffee all the time.
Christine: [inaudible] he's like, 'why don't you want to do anal if you do that?'
Kendra: Oh my God, I love that. [inaudible]
Christine: [inaudible] Well we have to edit this out.
Kendra: Nah, we'll just leave it in.
Christine: Like yeah, it's seriously. It's not, it's, put some music on. Like literally put some soft music on, get into the groove of just relaxing and just, it's literally something great for your body. Your body will love it.
Kendra: Yeah. Yeah, totally. Most people really like them after they've done them. So. So yeah. So that's what you need. So you know, if you want to create like, you know, we're coming into this episode is probably going to be released at being in January. Obviously January is a big time for the health industry for launching things because that's, you know, people spend December ruining their health and then in January they were ready for a new start. So this is a good time to create a detox program for your clients, right? So just make sure you're doing something to, immobilize toxins. You're doing something to boost that detoxification and then you're doing something to stimulate excretion and that's actually gonna get your clients results. That's actually going to make them feel good. And then the other thing I just wanted to mention is really think about things you can be doing on a daily basis to help yourself detox, because detox does need to be a daily thing. And you can, it doesn't need to be this big thing, you know, like I, will have a small cup of organic coffee first thing in the world because that helps stimulate bile. I have salty water first thing in the morning because it has minerals and minerals help you detox. Like, you know, I eat my bitter foods, I drink my dandelion tea, I get in the sauna, I do a coffee enema. Like there's things that you can be doing on a regular basis that we should be doing because we really do need to think about it daily because on a given day, who the fuck knows how much shit is getting into your body.
Christine: Yeah, and you will feel so much better. You will be more alert, will have better energy, you will sleep better, your skin will look amazing. So it's the only benefits people. It's literally one benefits and you can do small things. You don't have to, you know, worrying about not having enough time to lay down on the floor and do a coffee enema. It's just an example that we gave you enough options that you can definitely do.
Kendra: Totally, yeah, just putting that modified citrus pectin into your tea every morning is a good detox strategy as well. And you know, with detox, I think the most important thing to keep in mind is the goal is not to do it quickly, fast detox is not safe. Because we accumulate so many toxins over our lifetime. Like we might be detoxing things that have been on our bodies since we were kids. Right? If you're a child of the 80's, like us, you ate a lot of butter or not butter, margarine and toxic like cheese and all kinds of weird shit, right. The 80's is like the worst time [inaudible] right?
Kendra: What was considered healthy in the 80's is like pretty disgusting. So there's a good chance me and Christine have margarine sitting in our tissues.
Christine: It's right here. I can tell you exactly where it is.
Kendra: Oh my God. Yeah. So, you know, slow, long term detox is key and wants to be gentle. I don't recommend quick detox and it's something that you should do more than once a year. I mean, you design a little, like 10 day detox, you know, do it several times a year. Launch it as a group program, right? Like, wouldn't that be a great group program to do a 30 day detox where you spend a couple of weeks like helping people like build up and kind of pre-prepare for it. Do 10 day detox that includes these three things we just talked about and then do some sort of final, you know, recovery, restoration thing, like that could be a really great 30 day group program that you could launch a couple of times a year. Right.
Christine: And your testimonials will go through the roof.
Kendra: Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think. I think we really need to educate people on what detox actually is and how to actually do it and why it's not just, you know, like I go crazy when people are like, 'Oh, I did the master cleanse.] I'm like, okay, you just starved yourself and eat sugar for three weeks. Great. You know, or those detoxes.
Christine: Yes. And we are supposed to be like, 'YAY.'Gosh.
Kendra: Yeah. There's a lot of weird things out there that they detox, like, yeah, those weird wraps. And I'm the wild rose cleanse. I'm not trying to bash these companies, but the wild rose cleanse that people do, it's just like, it's not really a detox. Sorry guys. These companies [inaudible].
Christine: No no.
Kendra: All right.
Christine: My end, I didn't know my Wifi is weird today, but. Okay. I think that's pretty much it. Don't forget, this is a lot to take in. We have it in the show notes on our website 360healthbizpodcast.com, where you'll find links for all the products that can Kendra mentioned today and you have a complete detox program right there. It's all there. You can literally just go and highlight it and print it out and then you have it ready for you to use, and it's going to be efficient, it's scientifically backed up. It's going to be amazing, so everything is right there, so don't forget to check that out and if you've learned, here's my challenge for you, if you have learned anything knew during this episode, in-concluding difference between US and European toilets, then please go to iTunes right now and leave us a five star review.
Kendra: Yeah, and it's so easy to do, like if you're on the app right now, you literally just go to the search bar search 360healthbizpodcast and then you can actually go in and do a little like five-star review. It literally takes two minutes and helps us get out there. If you want to support us, you think we're kind of cool even just a little bit. That would be the best way to tell us.
Christine: And we are, I mean, we totally are, but it's like, yeah, even if we teach you something, if there was anything you learned, that would be amazing.
Kendra: Yeah. We want to know. Awesome. Well, it was super fun hanging out with you Christine.
Christine: As always.
Kendra: As always and, we'll see you guys in the next episode.
Christine: And we're recording this in December 2018. So all of you guys have a happy holidays. Even if you're listening to this in 2025 and we've changed our opinion already, never mind. We're still wishing you a beautiful 2019.
Kendra: Awesome. Take care Christine.
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Hello. Hello. Hey everyone. Kendra here. Welcome to your live monthly q and a. I absolutely love doing these. I love answering your questions. I know that every week we go through so many different things. We discuss a lot of content, a lot of things that you probably haven't heard about before. So I really love doing these monthly Q&A's. Just so I make sure that, I'm getting your questions answered and I'm helping make things clear that maybe weren't so clear, when I discussed them in my videos, so super stoked to be here. And, I have about five questions that were submitted. So we're going to be going through those. And then if you're on with me live, you can of course ask me any questions in the comments box. Hopefully I can see the comments this time because I know the last couple times I've actually been having a little bit of trouble seeing your comments.
Hey Rebecca, I can see Rebecca's comments. So that is a good sign. Yeah, you guys, if you want to ask me questions in the comments box, definitely go for it. I am happy to answer them, and I'm happy to bring you the most cutting edge advice I can give you when it comes to functional testing, hormones, energy, and gut health, because those are my three jams. The three things I love the most.
So, let's jump into it. Let's jump into your questions. So first question is, 'Can you suggest, how to increase Secretory IgA?' Okay. So for those of you who have no idea what Secretary IgA is, I also want to refer to this as Sig-A, that's sort of the short form for this, but Sig-A is basically your body's primary immunoglobulin. So this is your big first line of defense in your immune system, in the gut. So Sig-A is what responds and built anybody's towards things that, you don't want in your gut. Okay. So a lot of people, through testing actually discover that they have low SIg-A or low Secretary IgA, very common. And how you raise it, you know, isn't just as simple as take this to raise it. You really have to ask the question, well, why is it low to begin with? Because that's not normal. If it's low, you have to ask the question, well, what's making it low? Typically what I see really depress the immune system and depress Secretary IgA, is gut infections. Okay, that's one of the pieces. So in order to raise it, what I've seen have the best effect on raising, say Sig-A is actually eliminating the infections that are present. And of course in order to address infections you have to run a really good test to determine which infections are actually there. And you've probably heard me talk about this before, but a lot of tests, a lot of stool tests on the marker, on the market, are not great for identifying GI infections or they're just really notorious for missing infections. So a traditional stool test, this is called a comprehensive stool analysis. A Microscopic test. Typically you'd go to your doctor and ask for gut test or a parasite test. Typically it's going to be this type of test that they give you, so microscopy, or a comprehensive stool analysis, basically refers to the type of technology that is used to identify various infections.
So what you're going to have is you have a lab techs do you have a human, they are looking at the stool in a petri dish and looking through a microscope and looking well what grows after 24 hours. So it's called a stool culture. So they're trying to culture it and try to make it grow and they're single. What actually grows after 24 hours? So if there is a positive, if they find something that grows, it is 100 percent positive. There is no false positive. If it grows and they see it, it's there. But there can be a lot of false negatives because this type of technology actually requires, organisms to be alive because they need to grow. So they need to be alive and they need to be present in large enough amounts that they're able to reproduce and grow. Okay? So this is problematic. If you have infections that are anaerobic, so they don't actually do well in oxygen, they like environments that are free of oxygen which exist in the large intestine, but once they leave the body and they get exposed to oxygen, a lot of times they actually break down to integrate and die, so those are not going to be found in a culture or a comprehensive stool analysis because they don't have the ability to grow because they're dead, or that thing is just, you know, it's there, but maybe it's an such tiny amounts that there's not enough of it to actually reproduce. So that's sort of the disadvantage of that type of test is yes. If it finds something, it's 100 percent there, but there's a good chance that it's actually going to miss things all together. Okay.
So you know, if you've done that type of testing and you're like, well, nothing came up. It's not really 100 percent that it's that your gut is completely clean. Okay. So the tests that I recommend, I love the GI-MAP from Diagnostic Solutions Lab. Basically, this is a PCR DNA test, so it takes out the human component. There's no Labtech, there's no one looking through a microscope. All there is, is a machine that is identifying the microspots, microscopic DNA of these various organisms. So that doesn't, that means that these things don't need to be alive. They can be dead and they could still be found, they can be present in a single DNA strand and they will be found. So it's a much more sensitive test. But of course that being said, there is no perfect test. We have to remember that the body's very complex and we're basically getting a snapshot of a moving target. So if you're looking at a stool sample, your body needs to be excluding it to find it. And there can be things that just don't get shed regularly in the stool. Maybe because they're there in smaller amounts, they're hiding or you know, they're just not getting shed on that particular day that you're taking the test. So, you know, there's downfalls, there's drawbacks to every test, but the first thing you're going to do to raise your immune system or your Secretary IgA, you're Sig-A is to address the infections and you do that with a good tests like the GI-MAP and trying to find the infections that actually might be present. Okay.
So that's really important. The other thing you need to do is you need to address toxicity. So heavy metals, chemical exposure, this, these things will depress the immune system. They will inhibit the immune system. In a lot of cases they can actually promote a friendly environment for, for organisms to grow. So sometimes why you have organisms is because you know, you have too much or too little of a mineral that makes more of a favorable, a favorable environment for these sorts of infections. And then the other thing is that sometimes your body actually allows infections to grow because you have metals because there's a protective mechanism. So there's been a lot of research on this in fish populations were fish have these parasites and these parasites actually concentrate metals and toxins into their cell walls so that their toxicity within that parasite cell is significantly higher than what's actually in the fish or the host.
So, there's a lot of people who believe there is a protective mechanism going on. I believe this to be true because I see so many chronic infections were like you just can't get rid of them until you get rid of the metals. And actually the last episode of High on Energy TV, I actually talked about this connection between metals and chronic infection. So you need to adjust the metals, you need to address the chemicals you need to identify the infections. Once you address these things, I do tend to see Sig-A go up. Some things that you can do to support your immune system. Maybe you can't afford testing or, you know, you can't find a practitioner to work with, although you could always work with me. You can take something like colostrum. I find colostrum has a really nice support, nourishing effect for the immune system. The other thing is Saccharomyces Boulardii, which is a beneficial strain of yeast, which actually has a great supportive effect for SIg-A and the immune system. So I would recommend those two supplements to start and then I would recommend doing some testing with me, look into gut testing, metal testing, hair mineral analysis to address those deeper root cause of the low Sig-A because if it's low, it either means you don't have the building blocks to support a healthy immune system because your mineral deficient, or you have metals that are interfering with a healthy immune system or you have bacteria, parasites, yeast, viruses, worms, things that are overwhelming, the immune system. Okay. So I hope that answers your question.
For those of you who are joining me live. Welcome. I'm so glad you're here. Let me know that you're here. Say Hi in the comments and if you have questions for me, you can literally ask me anything in relation to health or anything. I will answer them while we're on live right now. And so we do these live Q&A's at the last Tuesday of every month. So for those of you on YouTube, for those of you on the Podcast, you can join me on my Facebook page, K Perry Nutrition every Tuesday at 4:30 PM if you want to join me live. And then the last Tuesday of every month at 4:30 PM Pacific. That is when we do this live monthly Q&A. Okay.
So next question. So regarding the GI-MAP, 'Can I ask what prescription drugs were used for the nasty parasites? I've done Paromomycin, Doxycyclin. Another one I can't produce for Blasto, but I also have Crypto and some other bugs.' So. Okay. So I'm, first thing, this is my disclaimer. I'm not a medical professional. I'm unlicensed. I'm not a doctor, legally, I can't give you advice about prescription drugs or antibiotics. What I can tell you is with the exception of one parasite, I never use antibiotics or prescriptions. Okay? The reason for this, again, this is just my own experience. This is not me giving you advice or telling you what to do, but if you take antibiotics for an infection, you may get rid of the infection, but you fuck up the landscape, the landscape of the gut, okay? Because antibiotics are going to mess with that delicate balance. So getting rid of the infection may not have much benefit if the result or the consequence is that you decimate your bacteria, you totally mess with your immune system by killing off those beneficial flora that antibiotics will kill, because antibiotics are non discriminant, right? They're not just going for the parasite, they're going for everything. So they taking the antibiotics might help you get rid of the Blasto, but it actually makes you more likely to get Blasto back or a whole host of other infections in the feature.
Blasto It was a really hard infection to get rid of. It is the nastiest of the parasite. I call it the parasite lottery because it's a pain in the butt to get rid of, and it goes systemic. It doesn't say, 'Hey Michelle,' it doesn't hang out in the GI tract. So it has the potential to cause a whole host of issues. Cryptosporidium not a huge infection, not a hard infection to get rid of, typically will respond to one round of treatment, but I like herbals because they are much easier on the digestive system and they don't have the consequence of totally wrecking your healthy microflora. Okay. And I talked a lot about this in the previous High on Energy episode. So definitely if you're on Facebook you can go into my videos and see that episode or if you're listening on the podcast, it's just the previous episode. 'Hey, Karla.' Karla is my good friend and I'm glad she's here. And because you have to address the reason why you have the infection to begin with. And like a lot of things, I do believe that infections are just another symptom. I believe there is symptom of mineral imbalances and toxicity, especially metals. We're getting exposed to so much crap these days. So many toxins, metals, chemicals, glyphosate, and there's certain cases. And again, I talked about this in the last episode, where your body is actually has sort of a symbiotic relationship going on with the parasite because the parasite is protecting you from the metals because it has the ability to concentrate toxins and metals in the cell wall. So instead of you becoming totally auto toxic and getting really sick or even dying from all this metal exposure, your body actually is allowing that parasite or yeast to grow or bacteria because it has a protective mechanism going on.
So I don't think, again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you what to do. You should listen to your doctor. I don't like the antibiotic prescription approach for infections because you just create a whole host of new infections. Okay? So I never recommend those. There's only one infection on the entire GI-MAP that is the Entamoeba Histolytica doesn't tend to respond to herbals, is a very dangerous parasite. That is the only one where I would refer someone out to a doctor. It's a very rare infection. I've only seen it twice. One of those times was myself because I've had a lot of nasty parasites. Okay.
Okay. So second half of this question is, 'Do you use anything stronger than interface plus for Biofilm? Because it doesn't seem to work for me anymore. I'm retesting in January and tempted to book in with you next year. I'm still having issues but I don't do well on herbals. They tend to make the bugs grow. Haven't tried the Amazon herbs is yet though.' So it depends. There's a bunch of different things that you can do to address Biofilm. So for those of you who are wondering, well, what the fuck is Biofilm? Basically you can think of it like Saran wrap, like clear plastic wrap. It's like this polysaccharide which is carbohydrate. It's like this thin blue, like sticky film. All organisms create it. Plaque on your teeth is a biofilm a, but all organisms create it. There's good and bad biofilms, but you know, in terms of the pathogenic material, they actually use it as a physical barrier. So they hide behind it. And there is a stat that I read that, bacteria that are hiding under a biofilm can resist antibiotics after 2000 times versus bacteria that aren't hiding behind biofilm. So if that blows your mind, let me know in the comments, say, 'Whoa,' let me know. Because that's crazy. It's honestly crazy and I think this is a big reason why antibiotics don't work, or why people continue to have chronic infections because they have a lot of this biofilm. And if that's not creepy enough, biofilm can also act as a communication network among these pathogens. So they use it to communicate with each other, help them adapt. It's all very creepy, but when you disrupt the biofilms, so certain things will do this, but when you disrupt it, not only are you releasing these infections, these organisms, but you also releasing a lot of other crap that can be tied up in biofilm like metals, chemicals, glyphosate, toxins, all kinds of shit can be in there. So taking, a biofilm disruptor. Yeah, Karla says, 'Sneaky little bacteria.' They are sneaky. They're super creepy too. And so that's the, I think a lot of people have issues with the biofilm. So are the Biofilm disruptors, 'Klaire labs interfase phase plus' is typically what I use. I don't use it longterm, does have EDTA in it which can bind to some of your minerals. So that one I usually use more short term. Biocidin is a herbal concoction that will disrupt bios, biofilm. So will Acetylcysteine, or NAC. You can do that in 600 milligrams, three times a day on an empty stomach. That is a really great biofilm disruptor. I also use from integrative therapeutics, I use Biozyme, which are just proteolytic enzymes. So you, again, you want to take those on an empty stomach. So a lot of biofilm disruptors are just carbohydrates specific enzymes because of that biofilm is actually made up of carbohydrates.
So any pathogen protocol, if you're doing any parasite, yeast, bacteria protocol, you need to have a biofilm disruptor, because if you don't, it may not work. Okay. And this is also a big reason why we see a lot of new infections on retest is because it can take a shitload of time to actually break down the biofilm. That can be a really long process so it can take time to kind of, immobilize these infections, and have them start to come out in the stool on something like the GI-MAP. Okay. So I would try those, those recommendations, those products that I recommended. I do recommend that you book in with me. I don't take many one on one clients anymore, but I do have a membership program where you can join for a really low price point and you can actually purchase the protocol for you GI-MAP test and I'll actually go over it and design a customized protocol either be or one of my highly trained practitioners for you, because I just find that the GI-MAP, and perspectives on gut testing and pathogen removal, to be kind of messed up. I see a lot of practitioners doing it wrong. I see a lot of people suffering. And if you're not addressing the minerals and the metals, you're gonna end up with chronic infections because a lot of, like I mentioned, again, the previous episode has a lot more information on this. Sometimes your body is allowing these things to grow for a reason and so will, you trying to kill them and that's all you're doing. You might just be addressing a symptom and you actually might be making yourself sicker because you may be eliminating the very protective mechanism that your body has put in place to protect you from toxicity. Okay. So really good question. I kind of went off on a tangent as always, but I hope that helps.
So there's nine of you guys on with me live today. That's makes me very excited. If you guys have questions. Oh, 11 now. if you guys have questions, hop on, ask me in the comments or just say, 'Hey,' let me know you're here. Give me a heart. Give me a like, because otherwise you're just a number next to an eyeball. That's all I can see. I can't see who's here. So let me know you're here. Okay.
Okay. So next question, and I really liked this question. So, 'I've had previous symptoms that look like endometriosis and I've had quite severe irritable bowel syndrome earlier this year. I'm on Progestin only pills and I've been increasing my probiotic intake in natural foods, Kombucha, Kiefer, lots of fresh fruit and vegetables. My IBS symptoms are almost gone. That's awesome. And I'm pretty sure my pelvic pain symptoms are gone to. I'm just hoping they'll stay gone. If I come off my pills, I'm hoping to come off the pills eventually. Do you know of any tips for managing endometriosis and irritable bowel symptoms through diet and natural health? I, I'd prefer to try and manage naturally rather than be on the pills forever. Do you know someone who's done this and how they've managed so.' Okay. If you actually want to legitimately reverse and get rid of endometriosis and irritable bowel syndrome, you got to get off the pill. Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not telling you to do this. I'm just saying what I've seen in my experience. This is what I would do. So this is the issue with the pill, even though it's Progestin only, it is going to cause mineral deficiency. It will make you vitamin C, magnesium, selenium, zinc deficient, it will mess with your gut flora. It will cause things like IBS symptoms, and it suppresses your natural hormone production. You're basically taking steroids, which is kinda crazy because if I said, 'Hey, do you want to take some fucking steroids and get jacked?' You'd think I was crazy. But that's basically what the pill is. You're taking steroids. Okay, so you can't balance your hormones or get rid of something like endometriosis or IBS while you're on the pill. It's a really, really nasty drug. So if you want to actually see success with that, I do. I'm not going to say I recommend getting off, but if it was me I would be getting off of that. Okay.
So in terms of, you know, you're doing a lot of the right things, you know, you're using diet, you're using fresh, whole foods to manage this and it sounds like it's improved a lot. So, you know, I want to congratulate you. This is a huge win. That's awesome. Not a lot of people are willing to do that. I think diet wise, I mean, I always recommend a Paleo template, Paleo, removes grains. It removes dairy, it removes sugars, it removes beans and legumes. A lot of things that can be irritating to the gut. I don't think you necessarily need to be on this diet longterm, but it's great to use as a template, at least as elimination diet. Maybe you can use it for three to six months and then start to reintroduce some of these foods. In terms of endometriosis. What this means is that your body doesn't metabolize your estrogen very well, or you have synthetic synthetic estrogens coming into the body which are raising your estrogen. So plastics, plastics are huge sources of synthetic estrogens, cookware, teflon, like, look at your cookware. You should only be using high quality stainless steel or titanium, clay, glass, really high quality ceramic. I'm really look at what you're cooking with. Ditch your slow cooker because there can be a lot of synthetic estrogens in the ceiling, ceiling, the varnish, I don't know that like plastic material that's over your ceramic pot. I actually have a clay. I have a clay, a slow cooker, or you can do something like an instant pot, which is, is stainless steel. Okay. Look at personal care products. There's synthetic estrogens in a lot of, chemical, personal care, beauty care products, cleaning products, checkout the EWG.org. This is the environmental working group. They have a top 10 list for all of these products. Use something safe and nontoxic. This is a really good place to start. The other connection is the gut. So there is a connection between your IBS and endometriosis. Typically, endometriosis means you have bad gut bacteria, so you need to address the gut. But what I found to be the biggest thing that relates to endometriosis is iodine. So there's probably an iodine deficiency. Iodine actually makes it impossible for you to metabolize your estrogen properly. So if you have endometriosis or on a Dutch test, you have high 16 OH metabolites. I know you need iodine. So I would recommend an iodine protocol, but you want to be doing this with an iodine literate practitioner. I can help you with this if you joined my High on Energy membership where I help support you and bring you the most cutting edge functional medicine recommendations that I can give you, that will be in the show notes, but you need to get on iodine. So, in the meantime, while you're, you know, if you're not working with me, you can do something like Kelp capsules. I like Nature's Way. Those are the only ones I personally tested and I know to be free from chemicals and toxins. You can do Kelp really great way to address iodine, seaweed, that sort of thing. Just make sure it's organic or from a good source. But I would recommend high dose iodine therapy, but please don't do this on your own. You can make your situation much worse if you don't do this properly. So please let me be your mentor or find someone who is an iodine literate practitioner who can be your mentor and who can help you with this. Okay. But again, people who want to eliminate endometriosis or any hormonal issue can't be on the pill. Okay. Because it fucks with your hormones and you can't fight against that. Okay. I hope that helps.
Okay. So Danielle. 'Hey, Danielle.' Danielle is on a lot of my live videos and she has a question and she says, 'Ah, my question.' So I think that was her question. That's great. 'Thank you.' She says, 'I found herbals wiped out a lot of my bacteria.' Yeah. 'Especially when done for months. Yes, I love NAC. What Diet did you use when addressing infections?' So, yeah, so I just go with a typical Paleo Diet. I don't believe in a low carb diet. It will not help you with yeast. Infections are very opportunistic. They are very adaptive and if you deprive them of one macronutrients, they will just turn around and eat the other. There's a lot of research that shows that Candida or other forms of yeast can thrive on Ketones, which is an extreme which you will produce if you're on an extreme low carb diet. I don't really think diet has a huge effect. I think it just needs to be a natural, whole foods, healthy diets that is free of crap. Okay, so that's why I like Paleo. I think you can introduce some grains, some dairy, beans and legumes in the future. But if your gut is really unhealthy, we want to go with a diet that really lowers phytic, act, phytic, phytic, access, acid and lectins. So these actually bind with minerals and move them out of the body and the body can't stay healthy if it doesn't have good mineral balance. So we want to be eliminating the foods that can actually make you more mineral deficient, which is why I love Paleo is a template. In my High on Energy membership. I call this the High on Energy diet. It's just basically a modified Paleo diet that gives a little bit more room for some of those foods that are typically not allowed, but that you might be able to tolerate because I believe in inclusive diets and not exclusive once. Okay.
Okay. 'So which lab do you use for mineral testing? How much does it cost for the test? I may book in.' So, so I use Trace Elements. I only recommend for mineral testing, Analytical Research Lab or Trace Elements because they don't wash their hair sample and most labs like Doctor's Data, a lot of the other ones I've seen on the market, they actually wash their hair sample which is going to mess with sodium, potassium, and zinc levels. So I only trust those two labs. I don't currently do kind of À la Carte lab testing with clients. You can book in with me and what am I comprehensive programs where we do run that test with other tests. You do have to apply. I only take on a very limited amount of one on one clients, but in my membership program in the High on Energy membership, which is a very low monthly cost, you can get that test for $200. On top of your monthly membership and then within that membership you get a group support for me. You get a facebook forum. So you can get all the support, but basically when you order the test, either myself or one of my personally trained practitioners, we create the protocol for you which we give to you in a document for you to follow. And then if you have questions you can ask me in the facebook group or in one of the group coaching calls that we do monthly and we do at least three sometimes we do four. So pretty high value. I do recommend doing that. Because right now I'm not taking on many one on one clients anymore and I don't anticipate taking on many more in the future. And there's probably going to be a time pretty soon where I'm not taking on any anymore. And I'm only working with people in the group program. Okay. Hope that answers your question, Danielle. I'm really happy to see you here. You're always tuning in and I really appreciate that. Okay.
Okay. So last question. And again, if you guys are on with me live, there's still a few of you on. Thank you for sticking with me. Definitely ask me in the comments. I'm happy to answer. So, 'Hi there. I just got my GI-MAP results back and I have a smidge of staphylococcus species point four, it should be and is less than one and staphylococcus Orris, which is point five, which it should be less than five. I know these are insignificant on the chart, but what do they mean?' Okay, so these fall into the additional overgrowth bacteria. So these bacterial infections are not common for your body to have, but they should be below detectable level, which on the GI-MAP you see that with the little, kind of sideways triangle like larger than or smaller than, and then the dl, which just means below detectable level.
So yes, the lab has ranges for all these infections, but from a functional standpoint, we want to see everything below detectable level like, because just because the lab isn't flagged as high doesn't mean it couldn't become high in the future and doesn't mean that if you were to test tomorrow that it wouldn't be high, right? Snapshot of a moving target. Remember that. So these are overgrowth bacteria, typically what these mean, like these will overgrow when they can, when they have the opportunity opportunity to. That's why they're called additional overgrowth, opportunistic bacteria, right? And so typically what it means is that you have either a deficiency in some of your friendly Microflora. You may or may not see that on the GI-MAP and it may mean that you have other infections. I address anything that pops up even if it's not getting flagged as high. So those all fall into the anti bacterial a section or kind of categories you'd want to do an anti bacteria. I'm a big fan of high dose garlic, something like lmx pro or [inaudible]. those are my favorite things for bacteria protocols. They tend to work really well. Okay. So, I hope that answers your question. Again, I address everything, even if it's not getting flagged as high because you just don't want to give it the opportunity to become high. Okay.
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